Duvel 2,446 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 For me a rebuild means that a promotion challenge might be a two year project. If we're changing the majority of the team then its probably going to take half of next season to get the team gelled. Is everyone happy with that and will Wilder get time and patience if we start next season slowly? Also, do you think Gibson and Scott will have a long term plan for when Wilder does eventually move on? If we are letting Wilder change most of the first team, will the long term plan keep with the Wilder philosophy so we don't need another rebuild in a couple of years time? Or is Gibson not looking beyond Wilder? I suspect the latter is probably the case which is how we've always operated. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
nunthorpered 1,920 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Duvel said: For me a rebuild means that a promotion challenge might be a two year project. If we're changing the majority of the team then its probably going to take half of next season to get the team gelled. Is everyone happy with that and will Wilder get time and patience if we start next season slowly? Also, do you think Gibson and Scott will have a long term plan for when Wilder does eventually move on? If we are letting Wilder change most of the first team, will the long term plan keep with the Wilder philosophy so we don't need another rebuild in a couple of years time? Or is Gibson not looking beyond Wilder? I suspect the latter is probably the case which is how we've always operated. Just do the AK project. 2.5 years then see if we implode in the premier league again 😂 Link to post Share on other sites
Leesider 1,069 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, pikerman said: Whoever we bring in they must have the mental strength and”will to win” to play in the Championship. Too many times this season I have seen us panic and fold when games got tough, we need a couple of leaders to dig in and take back the initiative and I don’t mean just kick the opposition like Crooks tends to do Nail on the head, Happened so often under Warnock & Wilder, We seem to go into panic mode & lose the heads completely. Link to post Share on other sites
Guffie 999 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Like us to go for likes of rothwell, Wallace, Laurent. Players like that, all like the ball on the deck and are all available on a free. Obviously know the league already aswell Link to post Share on other sites
Foogle 2,078 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Think it's a rebuild of the squad rather than the starting 11. It's clear that we started flagging with the sheer amount of games we played with the same 8 players in defence and midfield and Wilder didn't seem to trust anyone on the bench. I suspect we'll see those 7/8 starters stay largely the same with the strike-force and keeper changing but expecting a big overhaul to the options on the bench. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
boksicdink 1,937 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 What do people think about McNair potentially playing the Howson role next season rather than us finding someone else to play that role? In terms of outgoings, surely a Spence sale would mean that we wouldnt have to sell one of Fry, Tav or Jones? The club has set quite a high bar for themselves by saying a few times "best free agents market" so they could be heavily scrutinised if we don't pick up some good players. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Guffie 999 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, boksicdink said: What do people think about McNair potentially playing the Howson role next season rather than us finding someone else to play that role? In terms of outgoings, surely a Spence sale would mean that we wouldnt have to sell one of Fry, Tav or Jones? The club has set quite a high bar for themselves by saying a few times "best free agents market" so they could be heavily scrutinised if we don't pick up some good players. I don’t mind McNair trying to play the Howson role. The only issue i I have (could be just me) I think he tends to be indecisive at times. Holds on the ball abit too long and then tries to dribble it past the player last second and gets tackled. He will have to speed his thought process up for me if he was to fill in that role. But we certainly need a left footed centre back. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TLF10 4,440 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chris-wilder-middlesbrough-players-keep-23900255 Wilder name checked certain players he wishes to keep: Jones, Paddy, Fry, McGree, Howson and Tav. Them 6 obviously not only ones he wishes to keep but should put to bed any idea floated on here over weekend that likes of Jones, Paddy, Fry or Tav might not be part of his long term plans. Does not mean they wont go if a good bid comes in. Surprised he did not name check Dijksteel or Crooks mind. He already spoken about the excellent attitude of likes of Bamba and Watmore so imagine them two along with Coburn will form part of the back up. Link to post Share on other sites
Will 2,958 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, TLF10 said: https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chris-wilder-middlesbrough-players-keep-23900255 Wilder name checked certain players he wishes to keep: Jones, Paddy, Fry, McGree, Howson and Tav. Them 6 obviously not only ones he wishes to keep but should put to bed any idea floated on here over weekend that likes of Jones, Paddy, Fry or Tav might not be part of his long term plans. Does not mean they wont go if a good bid comes in. Surprised he did not name check Dijksteel or Crooks mind. He already spoken about the excellent attitude of likes of Bamba and Watmore so imagine them two along with Coburn will form part of the back up. I think, as someone else has pointed out in the thread, these 6 are players who he both wants to keep and he thinks haven't been as good as they could've been. He's been very complimentary about Dijksteel in particular, so it would massively surprise me if he wasn't part of our long term plans, especially with him being almost built for Wilder's system. Link to post Share on other sites
TLF10 4,440 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Will said: I think, as someone else has pointed out in the thread, these 6 are players who he both wants to keep and he thinks haven't been as good as they could've been. He's been very complimentary about Dijksteel in particular, so it would massively surprise me if he wasn't part of our long term plans, especially with him being almost built for Wilder's system. I hope so. Link to post Share on other sites
ManBearPig 1,833 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 12 hours ago, Blanco said: I find it bizarre that people think we can get 15m for Spence and only 8m for Tav. I think that Spence is a decent player but he is nowhere near as good as Tav. If Spence is 15m then Tav is 20m+ I would be beyond disappointed if Tav was to go for less money than Spence Spence is light years ahead of Tav. Tav is 7m-10m tops imo. If Tav wasn’t from the Boro academy, I’m not sure people would look at him the same. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Donnyboro 694 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 A big problem we’ve had aswell when playing dijksteel, McNair and fry is they offer zero threat from set pieces. Alan knill is known in football circles as a master of them and he can’t even make us a threat Link to post Share on other sites
ManBearPig 1,833 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I would be worried and surprised if we sold Dijksteele. He is for me our player of the year. So comfortable and safe when defending. I’d rather have him on the right hand side as he offers protection for jones when he’s going forward and I don’t think I can think of a better and realistic player for us right now to replace him with. If we were to keep hold of Tav, I’d like to see him play as a LWB and make that position his own. He can defend, he can put a cross in and I don’t think you’re as reliant on him in attack to make moments of magic. I could see him forging a great partnership with McGree. ?? dijksteele Fry ?? Jones ?? McNair McGree Tav ?? ?? For me that is a good core of the squad as starters. I think Howson should have a new role in shutting games out for next year personally. Link to post Share on other sites
TheHolgate 675 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Will there be anything official said today on who is being released/made available? Link to post Share on other sites
Foogle 2,078 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Donnyboro said: A big problem we’ve had aswell when playing dijksteel, McNair and fry is they offer zero threat from set pieces. Alan knill is known in football circles as a master of them and he can’t even make us a threat This is a major frustration for me we look weak in both boxes from set pieces. Crooks seems to be our only threat and he's not even a particularly good header. If you're playing possession football you're going to get a large number of set pieces. City and Liverpool are the top of the set piece scoring charts, they get the most opportunities and make the most of them. I remember the Huddersfield game we seemed to have about 20 corners and free kicks and didn't come close to threatening, they had far fewer and looked dangerous from each of them. At minimum we need a striker or 2 that can help us out in both boxes and a LCB who is dominant in the air. Fry is decent enough defending balls in but can't seem to get on the end of them in the oppositions box. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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