1 minute ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

We didn't do well at any point in the game I really don't think it would make a difference yesterday if we scored first or not... mcnair and Fry were having absolute shockers and the keeper. I don't see how after looking at that performance you ascert that we would have won the game by scoring a lucky goal. 

I think I said it may have been different right, I didn’t actually assert anything did I?  
 

When we score first our record is very good. Psychologically of course it would have changed the game for both teams. We may have relaxed and played well. Who knows but it “may” have been different. 

1 minute ago, sackrobson2 said:

I think I said it may have been different right, I didn’t actually assert anything did I?  
 

When we score first our record is very good. Psychologically of course it would have changed the game for both teams. We may have relaxed and played well. Who knows but it “may” have been different. 

We scored first against Swansea then conceded within 2 minutes because bird brain mcnair was half way down the pitch trying to be an attacker. We were completely outplayed yesterday it wasn't even close. I don't think anything other than some better tactics and a different team selection would have changed it.

3 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

We scored first against Swansea then conceded within 2 minutes because bird brain mcnair was half way down the pitch trying to be an attacker. We were completely outplayed yesterday it wasn't even close. I don't think anything other than some better tactics and a different team selection would have changed it.

 

I guess seeing as that happened against Swansea then that absolutely proves the first goal is always irrelevant. If we’d been gifted a lucky first goal there is absolutely no way we wouldn’t have still lost. 
 

 

32 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

Just sound bites and deflection. If he can't get 100% out of them then that's down to his personality and methods. It's more to do with his overly complicated tactics that don't work that well and leave us exposed the team is all over the shop poor howson trying to cover every hole left from players out of position. I think the bloke is full of ***. He needs to stop blaming everyone else and knock his head together with his dozey assistant and think of a better way for us to set up next season.

This is why I do have some reservations and am again tempering my expectations for next season.

Wilder does seem overly wed to a single way of playing...which is fine if you can clearly communicate it to the players and train them to play it effectively. After a bit of a purple patch last year, we did lose our way quite badly.

Which is why I think Wilder is a high-risk strategy (or his reign could be a long-term project). We are depending on him and Scott being able to recruit exactly the kind of players he needs...otherwise it isn't going to work.

Also a bit concerned by his reluctance to use squad rotation to give players a rest. Was it simply down to him not trusting our squad players, or does he normally like to play the same XI week in, week out, regardless?

I don't like the idea of us being overly reliant on the same players having to deliver twice a week, for most of the season.

 

Edited May 8, 20223 yr by AnglianRed

38 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

Just sound bites and deflection. If he can't get 100% out of them then that's down to his personality and methods. It's more to do with his overly complicated tactics that don't work that well and leave us exposed the team is all over the shop poor howson trying to cover every hole left from players out of position. I think the bloke is full of ***. He needs to stop blaming everyone else and knock his head together with his dozey assistant and think of a better way for us to set up next season.

We have a solid goalkeeper and this overly complicated all over the shop system finishes in the play offs with a squad languishing in 17th or whatever when he took over

Dont fall into the trap of we lost = sell everyone and sack the manager we are soooo bad!!!

54 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

Would it? We were completely outplayed from start to finish. Would have probably ended up 4-2 instead of 4-1.

Wouldn’t have mattered anyway as results didn’t go for us elsewhere. Problem lies more in games like Hull and others where we just didn’t turn up. Could have had a play off spot cemented long before the last day. Many things to review throughout the season, not just one game.

2 hours ago, LBP said:

We have a solid goalkeeper and this overly complicated all over the shop system finishes in the play offs with a squad languishing in 17th or whatever when he took over

Dont fall into the trap of we lost = sell everyone and sack the manager we are soooo bad!!!

We had a good start and since mid Jan we have been averaging less than 1.3 ppg which is lower mid table form and playing poor more than good. I wouldn't fall into the trap of overhyping a new managers start. I havnt seen anything recently to tell me this way of playing will be successful next season and I didn't want to see it when he was appointed.

2 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

We had a good start and since mid Jan we have been averaging less than 1.3 ppg which is lower mid table form and playing poor more than good. I wouldn't fall into the trap of overhyping a new managers start. I havnt seen anything recently to tell me this way of playing will be successful next season and I didn't want to see it when he was appointed.

 

That's the table if it started in January.

8th isn't amazing, but it's still better than most teams in the league.

Edited May 8, 20223 yr by TeaCider24

1 minute ago, TeaCider24 said:

 

That's the table if it starred in January.

2 hours ago, sackrobson2 said:

 

Ir still doesn't change the fact that since then out ppg and in large performances have been poor tho does it. Are you happy with 1.25 ppg next season?

8 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

Ir still doesn't change the fact that since then out ppg and in large performances have been poor tho does it. Are you happy with 1.25 ppg next season?

Not particularly, but he's on 1.48 ppg from January onwards.

Not sure where you've got 1.25 ppg from unless you've just randomly cut out a few wins to make your argument look better.

11 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

Ir still doesn't change the fact that since then out ppg and in large performances have been poor tho does it. Are you happy with 1.25 ppg next season?

No but I’m hopeful Wilder can get close to, if not improve on the 1.65 PPG he’s averaged since he started. Which would be enough to get in the playoffs. Full pre season and a summer transfer window to sort the squad out.
There’s so many more reasons to be optimistic for next season, so it’s sad and confusing that some fans are leaning towards being pessimistic. Each go there own I guess. 

7 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

Not particularly, but he's on 1.48 ppg from January onwards.

Not sure where you've got 1.25 ppg from unless you've just randomly cut out a few wins to make your argument look better.

I had split his time up into 3 equal game amounts in an earlier post as it better highlighted the regression. So ok he won his first 2 in January and then since Jan 15th he's been managing 1.25 ppg. So that's 4 months of poor form which is getting worse not better as the games become more important and pressurised. That makes my argument. 

I'm not saying sack him but I'm questioning the belief that he should be backed heavily in the transfer market due to what he's done this season.

He had a good start thats it. Alot of managers start well and fail. I'd have been more inclined to think he could make a success of it if the form was reversed and we were improving rather than getting worse.

11 minutes ago, BoroSmoggie said:

No but I’m hopeful Wilder can get close to, if not improve on the 1.65 PPG he’s averaged since he started. Which would be enough to get in the playoffs. Full pre season and a summer transfer window to sort the squad out.
There’s so many more reasons to be optimistic for next season, so it’s sad and confusing that some fans are leaning towards being pessimistic. Each go there own I guess. 

Exactly, we haven't suffered through Pulis and Warnockball as well as nearly going down under Woody to ship out the first good manager we've had in ages for finishing 7th AND he joined us mid season

9 minutes ago, Foxtrot Oscar Colin said:

I had split his time up into 3 equal game amounts in an earlier post as it better highlighted the regression. So ok he won his first 2 in January and then since Jan 15th he's been managing 1.25 ppg. So that's 4 months of poor form which is getting worse not better as the games become more important and pressurised. That makes my argument. 

I'm not saying sack him but I'm questioning the belief that he should be backed heavily in the transfer market due to what he's done this season.

He had a good start thats it. Alot of managers start well and fail. I'd have been more inclined to think he could make a success of it if the form was reversed and we were improving rather than getting worse.

 

We won on the 15th of January.

That was our first league game of the year.

We lost our next match.

But take out that win, and it's still not 1.25 ppg, it's 1.4, I think you've got your figures wrong somewhere or are looking at the wrong fixture list.

 

Take out all of January and before and he's on 1.39 ppg.

Edited May 8, 20223 yr by TeaCider24

3 hours ago, sackrobson2 said:

 

I guess seeing as that happened against Swansea then that absolutely proves the first goal is always irrelevant. If we’d been gifted a lucky first goal there is absolutely no way we wouldn’t have still lost. 
 

 

Obviously not anything is a possibility but you have to look at the facts of what happened in the match and wonder how the first goal would have changed what was an abject performance from start to finish. Which is why I'm disagreeing