Referees performances

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https://www.skysports.com/football/video/30998/13251186/middlesbrough-5-1-luton-championship-highlights

Giving the highlights a jump

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40 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

Thought he let Luton get away with loads of dirty, niggly fouls.

Our first win when he's been in the centre.

He certainly did early on. It was like he was holding Boro to a higher standard with the attitude of 'we all know Luton are going to kick lumps out of people therefore I'll let them off with it' 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8y6zqjgdyo

Isn't this the fella we had for the second leg of the playoff against Coventry? Remember not being overly impressed as he seemed to be waving a yellow every five minutes. Wonder if he has a dislike for all teams that play in red. Being serious, is he done now or will he be "rehabilitated" like Madley (who reffed the first leg). Probably not the smartest thing he has ever done, but should he lose everything for saying something in "private" that many others might agree with and have probably said about Ferguson/Warnock/ insert whoever applicable. Can see him getting demoted but is expressing an opinion while on the pop worse than being inept on the pitch?   

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10 hours ago, Old Codger said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8y6zqjgdyo

Isn't this the fella we had for the second leg of the playoff against Coventry? Remember not being overly impressed as he seemed to be waving a yellow every five minutes. Wonder if he has a dislike for all teams that play in red. Being serious, is he done now or will he be "rehabilitated" like Madley (who reffed the first leg). Probably not the smartest thing he has ever done, but should he lose everything for saying something in "private" that many others might agree with and have probably said about Ferguson/Warnock/ insert whoever applicable. Can see him getting demoted but is expressing an opinion while on the pop worse than being inept on the pitch?   

Problem is that out on the pitch he is Judge and Jury and if as it appears he has clear bias and a strong dislike of a Club then he can't Officiate at any match involving them clearly but then there will be overbearing intense scrutiny if he awards a Penalty for example to a side in the mix with Liverpool and needing points. It then leaves him with Wolves versus Crystal Palace or Southampton versus Ipswich type games. If a Referee has to be carefully selected because of a known bias it makes his selection for games unnecessarily complex.

The only caveat would be if the video is fake and has been a creative piece of AI wizardry which in this day and age is entirely possible.

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23 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Problem is that out on the pitch he is Judge and Jury and if as it appears he has clear bias and a strong dislike of a Club then he can't Officiate at any match involving them clearly but then there will be overbearing intense scrutiny if he awards a Penalty for example to a side in the mix with Liverpool and needing points. It then leaves him with Wolves versus Crystal Palace or Southampton versus Ipswich type games. If a Referee has to be carefully selected because of a known bias it makes his selection for games unnecessarily complex.

The only caveat would be if the video is fake and has been a creative piece of AI wizardry which in this day and age is entirely possible.

Can a consummate professional not cast aside their allegiances whilst at work? 
I appreciate that the reason that they are not allowed to officiate certain games is to avoid any possible negative connotations, but no matter what job you do there will always be situations where you like one person more than another, or even have great disdain of someone, however if they are professional in their role this should not affect any decision making. 

He is just flesh and blood like the rest of us, you can't take emotion from the game and when you do the game becomes sterile, it's one of the issues with VAR and 'the letter of the law', the second that you start applying steadfast rules, you lose the emotion, one of them being common sense!  The guy is looking at losing his career because he has an opinion of someone!

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21 minutes ago, JonnyMFC said:

Can a consummate professional not cast aside their allegiances whilst at work? 
I appreciate that the reason that they are not allowed to officiate certain games is to avoid any possible negative connotations, but no matter what job you do there will always be situations where you like one person more than another, or even have great disdain of someone, however if they are professional in their role this should not affect any decision making. 

He is just flesh and blood like the rest of us, you can't take emotion from the game and when you do the game becomes sterile, it's one of the issues with VAR and 'the letter of the law', the second that you start applying steadfast rules, you lose the emotion, one of them being common sense!  The guy is looking at losing his career because he has an opinion of someone!

It's the perception of bias and that's enough.

Just think for a minute he had said this about Carrick or Boro and he was reffing a Sheff Utd game against someone when we're both rivals for second place. Gives a soft penalty to Sheff Utd or doesn't give a seemingly nailed on penalty against them. We would be up in arms arguing that his bias against us favoured Sheff Utd. Fans always suspect a ref of bias but when it's out there on video, his position is so compromised that he couldn't ref in the same league or cup competition that the team is involved in. Any match he refs, the players and coaching staff are going to be playing mind games with him about it. 

It's not 'fair'. All refs probably have some dislikes of certain managers, players and clubs but the second it's out there on video, you're toast. Even reffing other games with no relationship this is going to be constant distraction making it far harder for him to do his job.

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Surely if you follow that logic, you'd have to remove any referees who support any team with any sort of rivalry with another team in the division.

He's a Notts County fan, so surely you could already make that argument about him having any involvement in matches with Nottingham Forest in the Premier League.

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34 minutes ago, JonnyMFC said:

The guy is looking at losing his career because he has an opinion of someone!

The guy is likely to lose his job because he broke the unwritten rule. We have had recent experiences of Refs who have been "too close" to the team we were playing but accept that they would be fair in their ruling. It still didn't stop us discussing it on here in relation to some of the decisions given/not given.

The penalty that was, but wasn't given against Arsenal that would have been in favour to Liverpool was the first thing that the media dug up on him, as a consequence will Liverpool start suing the FA because it cost them a League Position or maybe a Trophy? The best bit of managerial advice I have ever heard was "you don't get yourself into those situations", fortunately it was a colleague and not me who got into the situation.

If Coote was Plumber from Leeds nobody would care what he said but in his chosen career there are some things that are no go areas and he not only went there but trampled all over it along with his so called "friends" who presumably thought it was funny. His career is toast because of his stupidity and questionable decision making.

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8 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

Surely if you follow that logic, you'd have to remove any referees who support any team with any sort of rivalry with another team in the division.

He's a Notts County fan, so surely you could already make that argument about him having any involvement in matches with Nottingham Forest in the Premier League.

I think there is a world of difference from being a fan of say Sunderland and Refereeing a Boro game and a Ref who comes out on video saying that he hates MFC, Steve Gibson, Carrick etc. it makes his position untenable. We all know Referees are Football Fans and that they will have Clubs they supported as a lad, that's how they became interested in the game. Didn't the Bristol Referee from a few weeks back actually play for them at one stage?

As a bizarre example, George who posts on here is a Sunderland fan but I think he would be honourable and fair if he was reffing a game involving us, just an opinion but conversely someone who came on here spouting bile wouldn't be viewed on here in the same light.

I can't see how LFC could take the view that he would be impartial and fair with regards to them in the future or with other games that could affect their season. Even if he was exonerated by the FA every time he blows his whistle to award something it will be analysed to death putting ridiculous pressure on him.

 

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4 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

I think there is a world of difference from being a fan of say Sunderland and Refereeing a Boro game and a Ref who comes out on video saying that he hates MFC, Steve Gibson, Carrick etc. it makes his position untenable. We all know Referees are Football Fans and that they will have Clubs they supported as a lad, that's how they became interested in the game. Didn't the Bristol Referee from a few weeks back actually play for them at one stage?

As a bizarre example, George who posts on here is a Sunderland fan but I think he would be honourable and fair if he was reffing a game involving us, just an opinion but conversely someone who came on here spouting bile wouldn't be viewed on here in the same light.

I can't see how LFC could take the view that he would be impartial and fair with regards to them in the future or with other games that could affect their season. Even if he was exonerated by the FA every time he blows his whistle to award something it will be analysed to death putting ridiculous pressure on him.

 

He didn't say anything at about Liverpool except that they were *** in their last match.

He's just admitted to really disliking a former Liverpool manager, and I'm pretty sure most referees would have disliked Klopp because he was an abusive bully on the touchline.

It's like when Warnock was here, I'm sure every single referee disliked him, but I don't think there was a conspiracy against Middlesbrough during his time here.

The comments about Liverpool were from the random guy that it looked like he'd just met.

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It's a shame because David Coote is one of the better referees, in my opinion

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he waved away a rugby tackle on Salah, Saturday night as no foul when it should have been a straight red, not play on but no foul!  dodgy as F

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In a fair world, he would probably be given a season or so in the lower divisions where he isn't likely to garner much attention and it would be more or less accepted as a suitable reminder that the lad was letting off steam after a bad day. Sadly, whereas managers and players can make thinly veiled comments and know they will only get a ridiculous fine or no punishment at all. I may have criticised some performances but this has most often been to inconsistency or baffling decisions and don't remember a game that I genuinely thought a ref showed bias. I hope they find a way to let him continue but a lot will depend on the media and once they bare their teeth, they usually look for blood. If nothing else, he will begin to find out who his real friends are.. 

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He's going to lose his job, and rightly so, but you're crazy if you don't think every ref has these same biases towards certain teams. It's human nature. He's just the unfortunate one who has been caught out verbalising them. That being said, he hasn't left the PGMOL with much choice. It's untenable for him to continue officiating as every decision he makes will be undermined.

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8 hours ago, estonpidge said:

he waved away a rugby tackle on Salah, Saturday night as no foul when it should have been a straight red, not play on but no foul!  dodgy as F

He also could’ve gave a pen on Watkins but never so, just talking nonsense. It was a video slating klopp not Liverpool