Pre/Post Transfer Window gossip speculation wishes time!

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Rockliffe starting to double up as the Big Brother House with how long he's supposedly been there and how many medicals he's had according to some. 

"Day 14 in Rockliffe Hall and Tommy has completed his fourth medical"

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6 minutes ago, boksicdink said:

Rockliffe starting to double up as the Big Brother House with how long he's supposedly been there and how many medicals he's had according to some. 

"Day 14 in Rockliffe Hall and Tommy has completed his fourth medical"

Fe this one’s actually funny 😂

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7 minutes ago, LinoJo3 said:

This is why people who say pep is ‘only good bc he’s at teams with money’ are clueless. Having money in football seems to be so much easier than actually knowing how to spend it and tbh looking at our own experiences the more money we’ve had to spend the worse we seem to do. The best team we’ve had in this league since coming down in 09 was half built by Mowbray with absolute peanuts. 
 

Even this team which on paper is a better team imo hasn’t exactly cost a fortune. The most expensive player in our squad is Lath I think unless I’ve forgot someone and according to a couple of itk we now have no players on wages over 20k per week which is crazy I think.

I feel like one of the more boring but most important things Scott does is he’s not scared to not spend the money. In the past it’s felt like we’ve blew money just because it’s there.

I think the game changer has been Gibson relinquishing some control of the decision making by employing Scott and letting him get on with things in conjunction with Carrick.

Carrick will have been used to this system or variations of it at other clubs and easily bought into the project. Warnock and Wilder being old school were not ideal to take it forward as we know. I think It will have been hard for Gibson to let go of some control, but he has and I’m pleased for him as much as anything that it is reaping dividends as things stand. The club, employees, players, fans and owner are all together.

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8 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Have there been any actual confirmed sightings of Brandon Williams at Rockliffe or is it just speculation?

The lad seems to have baggage following him wherever he goes from alleged inappropriate contact with a 15 year old on tik tok a few years back (that he denied to be fair), failing to provide driver information over speeding that his father later accepted, a fall out with Norwich fans who taunted him when on loan there and as mentioned on here previously claim of inhaling nitrous oxide while driving. That list alone would be enough to put any prospective employer off him.

The only light in all this is that McKenna took him to Ipswich so clearly felt that he could get through to him prior to him getting seriously injured. Maybe there is still something that can be rescued within. Being dumped by his boyhood club may be the kick up the backside he needs to realise people are fed up with him and his ability maybe isn't as incredible as he perhaps led himself to believe. 

If he is around Rockliffe then he needs to listen and learn from Carrick plus I would hope Woodgate would add his tuppence worth about doing stupid stuff when young and daft. He will either grasp an opportunity and pull himself back from the brink or end up a sad figure in non league bragging to everyone about how great he once was.

Has he ever been ‘great’ though? Like if he had just been released by Fulham would anyone give a *** about having him? If it’s true that he is here and we end up taking him at the end of it then I’ll trust Carrick and the coaches that there’s a benefit, maybe Carricks brother can use his knowledge to try turn his career back around idk. The worst thing about him for me is he’s a right footed left back which I absolutely hate 😂

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2 minutes ago, DocMartin said:

I think the game changer has been Gibson relinquishing some control of the decision making by employing Scott and letting him get on with things in conjunction with Carrick.

Carrick will have been used to this system or variations of it at other clubs and easily bought into the project. Warnock and Wilder being old school were not ideal to take it forward as we know. I think It will have been hard for Gibson to let go of some control, but he has and I’m pleased for him as much as anything that it is reaping dividends as things stand. The club, employees, players, fans and owner are all together.

Yes i agree completely, the turn around has been drastic and justify the fans complaints a few seasons ago. Many were ridiculed for apparently wanting Gibson out when that was never the case, at least in my case (and many others I seen) we wanted him to step back.

To Gibsons credit he either listened or felt within himself that he needed to do it. To his even bigger credit he found and brought in a guy who is a great fit for the club and very good at the job. Not only that but he seemingly pushed the boat out for Carrick who from the outside looking in seems to have made things much easier for Scott to get on with his job. However it might work behind the scenes it does seem like we have an excellent group of people running the club and team now. Probably the best I’ve ever seen it.

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3 minutes ago, LinoJo3 said:

Yes i agree completely, the turn around has been drastic and justify the fans complaints a few seasons ago. Many were ridiculed for apparently wanting Gibson out when that was never the case, at least in my case (and many others I seen) we wanted him to step back.

To Gibsons credit he either listened or felt within himself that he needed to do it. To his even bigger credit he found and brought in a guy who is a great fit for the club and very good at the job. Not only that but he seemingly pushed the boat out for Carrick who from the outside looking in seems to have made things much easier for Scott to get on with his job. However it might work behind the scenes it does seem like we have an excellent group of people running the club and team now. Probably the best I’ve ever seen it.

agree with everything you say so not arguing any of it.. but wasnt the rumour at the time that Scott wanted Rob Edwards and Gibbo wanted Carrick and Gibbo won that battle? Dont think there was ever any actual evidence for that though.

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10 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

agree with everything you say so not arguing any of it.. but wasnt the rumour at the time that Scott wanted Rob Edwards and Gibbo wanted Carrick and Gibbo won that battle? Dont think there was ever any actual evidence for that though.

Southgate recommended Carrick to Gibson, so I imagine it's in part true. But Scott was more than happy with Carrick coming in. Didn't get on with Wilder. 

If he wasn't happy with Carrick and felt Gibson was appointing who he wanted, I personally think he'd have walked. 

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5 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

agree with everything you say so not arguing any of it.. but wasnt the rumour at the time that Scott wanted Rob Edwards and Gibbo wanted Carrick and Gibbo won that battle? Dont think there was ever any actual evidence for that though.

Yea it was, I do think Carrick has turned out to be a great fit for our project even though Edwards has been the more succesful of the 2 since the appointments. Maybe Edwards would have been the more sensible option and would have took us up but that’s all hindsight based I guess. All we can look at is what Carrick has done for the club and it’s very hard to find the negatives, yes he’s made mistakes but equally has bounced back from them everytime. 
 

The atmosphere when the full time whistle went in that Southampton home game last season tells us everything we need to know about how loved the guy is here by everyone. I don’t think any other manager would have survived that start we had last season and came out the other side with the crowd on his side.

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8 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

agree with everything you say so not arguing any of it.. but wasnt the rumour at the time that Scott wanted Rob Edwards and Gibbo wanted Carrick and Gibbo won that battle? Dont think there was ever any actual evidence for that though.

I don't think that anything did come from that rumour other than speculation but if it did I think they could argue that they were both right

If that's the level of disagreement it's far better than what went before. I'd also wager that (assuming the discussion did indeed take place at the time) if a similar difference of opinion occurred now Gibbo would back down and let Scott get on with it. He must have saved Gibbo millions by not splurging obscene sums on tat plus earned millions by speculative purchasing all while improving the squad. Despite being a dyed in the wool Boro fan Gibbo is also a business man and Scott's track record here to date despite some doubts and dark days around this time last year has been very impressive. 

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47 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Have there been any actual confirmed sightings of Brandon Williams at Rockliffe or is it just speculation?

The lad seems to have baggage following him wherever he goes from alleged inappropriate contact with a 15 year old on tik tok a few years back (that he denied to be fair), failing to provide driver information over speeding that his father later accepted, a fall out with Norwich fans who taunted him when on loan there and as mentioned on here previously claim of inhaling nitrous oxide while driving. That list alone would be enough to put any prospective employer off him.

The only light in all this is that McKenna took him to Ipswich so clearly felt that he could get through to him prior to him getting seriously injured. Maybe there is still something that can be rescued within. Being dumped by his boyhood club may be the kick up the backside he needs to realise people are fed up with him and his ability maybe isn't as incredible as he perhaps led himself to believe. 

If he is around Rockliffe then he needs to listen and learn from Carrick plus I would hope Woodgate would add his tuppence worth about doing stupid stuff when young and daft. He will either grasp an opportunity and pull himself back from the brink or end up a sad figure in non league bragging to everyone about how great he once was.

Lets not forget how pally McKenna and Carrick are. There's no way Carr5ick won't have spoken with McKenna before pushing ahead with this...if it is happening.

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Just now, Humpty said:

Lets not forget how pally McKenna and Carrick are. There's no way Carr5ick won't have spoken with McKenna before pushing ahead with this...if it is happening.

Both will have worked with Williams plenty at Utd anyway, they'll both have their opinions on him based on that and clearly both think that they can make a player out of him at this level if we do go for it and that's good enough for me.

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53 minutes ago, DocMartin said:

Well, he came into Hull on the back of a disastrous previous owner whom the fans grew to dislike. He was going to achieve much. He threw a lot at it last season to be fair, but perhaps too late. His sacking of Rosenior seemed crazy then and still does to me now. He wanted to be seen as a hero of sorts but is finding things a little harder than he thought, money can’t always buy you what you want exactly when you want it (as we found out in 2017). The goings on at Hull show you why fans need to be careful what they wish for. In Gibson we have a man who has made mistakes, but has always tried his best for the club and so they have been honest ones.

everything is all about him, which will be the reason their fans will turn on him in the end,

he's already given them the stick to hit him with and thats him being vice chairman of fenebache and already admitting he's gave them more attention than hull. 

38 minutes ago, LinoJo3 said:

This is why people who say pep is ‘only good bc he’s at teams with money’ are clueless. Having money in football seems to be so much easier than actually knowing how to spend it and tbh looking at our own experiences the more money we’ve had to spend the worse we seem to do. The best team we’ve had in this league since coming down in 09 was half built by Mowbray with absolute peanuts. 
 

Even this team which on paper is a better team imo hasn’t exactly cost a fortune. The most expensive player in our squad is Lath I think unless I’ve forgot someone and according to a couple of itk we now have no players on wages over 20k per week which is crazy I think.

I feel like one of the more boring but most important things Scott does is he’s not scared to not spend the money. In the past it’s felt like we’ve blew money just because it’s there.

all money is in football is an accelerant.

clubs that have solid management from the board level to the coaching staff may get a faster route to success, however the majority of the time when the management of the club just isnt as good its a faster route to failure. Too many clubs spend big and do not get the value they need out the transfers for the money they spent.

most the people who say that about pep are usually man utd fans, who have spent more than city have and got very poor value out the of the money they have spent. seems like a lot of these deals when you look back at them that they get their pants pulled down on prices they pay and seem to allow a culture of the players thinking they are bigger than the club. 

people don't give managers that succeed with money the credit for handling that added pressure that comes with it, soon as you spend crazy money it does not allow you time to grow your team, most fans and owners (especially newer owners) want to see instant results for that money and can speed your exit up as much as it can speed your success. 

the players that you buy at the 50-100m+ club as well need managing differently as well, quite often that level of investment can take away the power from the managers and put it back into these players (as soon as things dont go the managers way), as its cheaper to write a manager off than the players who are campaigning against him.

look at ten hag and how much bust ups he has had along the way trying to assert his authority, I think he has really struggled as I think they are players there that just think your not going to last long here, or who are you when they consider themselves an elite player, sometimes they only give that level of respect to elite managers too. no player would question pep the same way ten hag has had to deal with, look at how bad he handled ronaldo and and sancho, and its likley because they dont like the way he tries to command their respect when they probs think he off soon, your just the old ajax manager. I've thought this for all the managers in since Mourinho there that they are just not equipped to deal with the level of players that the club wants to buy, and thats why they never get the most of out of them

you can just see how bad management and money can accelerate things for the worse, just look at everton and even chelsea.

you can see it working well as a short cut for newcastle in that one year they could spend serious cash and got in the champions league, but bad management from the board level caught up with them as I think they thought if they got the squad upto that level it would be good enough for the next season and the lack of ffp allowance wouldn't matter as much, but there's always a club that game to spend more money at the top and revenue as a new qualifier for the champions leauge is pittance compared to the teams that been in there for several years (as they give teams more money the more they have participated in the competition - so there was teams that never got as far as newcastle but got paid way more than them - another of the bigger clubs money scams tbh, real madrid could go out first round this season and probs be one the highest earners in the competition still, sure it was part a super league compromise to weight the payments this way more than based progress on alone). 

love seeing what these clubs do with crazy money tho, entertaining to see what loop holes they try and even more entertaining seeing it go wrong, and I actually enjoy seeing a club make it with good management and doing well the right way, few clubs over the years made a few of the bigger clubs take notice at always thinking ahead and not taking short cuts and gambling like many others do

 

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1 hour ago, DocMartin said:

I think the game changer has been Gibson relinquishing some control of the decision making by employing Scott and letting him get on with things in conjunction with Carrick.

Carrick will have been used to this system or variations of it at other clubs and easily bought into the project. Warnock and Wilder being old school were not ideal to take it forward as we know. I think It will have been hard for Gibson to let go of some control, but he has and I’m pleased for him as much as anything that it is reaping dividends as things stand. The club, employees, players, fans and owner are all together.

I think it was important for Scott to have some early success as it’s no doubt earned him a lot of trust off Gibbo and he’s got a bit of power now to be able to put his foot down.

Worst thing that could have happened would have been for him to have had some high profile misses in the transfer market and for us to have underperformed as a team as I think it would have just led to Gibbo undermining him.

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Conway wasn’t here yesterday. There’s a photo of him on Snapchat with anis mehmeti 

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Kieran Scott turning ~£10m of Gibsons money (Rogers, RVDB and Latte Lath) into potentially £60m has no doubt gone down well.