Downsouth 7,581 38k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Think the consensus of opinion is that Boro fans would welcome O'Brien back to the club Anyone from the press or MFC please take note 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downsouth 7,581 38k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 34 minutes ago, AnotherSmoggy said: If Carrick wants to use Hamilton as an option on the right it’s a bit strange that he hasn’t used him there in the last few weeks to see if he’s up to it. Sounds like he could be heavily relied on there in the second half of the season considering Forss’s fitness issues. To be honest I think Ayling could do a far better job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leesider 1,282 1.4k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Downsouth said: Think the consensus of opinion is that Boro fans would welcome O'Brien back to the club Anyone from the press or MFC please take note I was underwhelmed with O Brien to say the least, Maybe we didn't see him at his best to be fair. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWC 418 1.2k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I thought O’Brien was pretty average. Remember coming away from multiple homes games and wondering what he actually had to offer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 5,978 9.2k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Downsouth said: Agree but it was the time it took to be honest yeah but what else could we do, we have tried to rehabilitate his career, sending him out on loan to hibbs what brought out nothing, then to the MLS, which brought out the same and no takers this season (or he wouldn't take a loan that was offered possibly) we have let him go and he still has 1.5 years left on the contract, so we have really acted early, as this sort of action would be more typical of being in the last year of your contract. we have probs made a deal with him to cut out part of that contract to give him a lump sum and a saving for us, or released him to allow him to get another club - possibly already has one lined up and prepared to give up the rest of his deal to get back to playing. the lad would have been sold if someone/anyone he wanted to join come in and offered something, them releasing him shows that. something wrongs happened behind the scenes, thinking about it then it could well just be that he stopped playing ball with loans or sales since he come back and they have little choice to do anything but this, it kinda makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonD 1,186 1.3k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 12 minutes ago, Rob said: yeah but what else could we do, we have tried to rehabilitate his career, sending him out on loan to hibbs what brought out nothing, then to the MLS, which brought out the same and no takers this season (or he wouldn't take a loan that was offered possibly) we have let him go and he still has 1.5 years left on the contract, so we have really acted early, as this sort of action would be more typical of being in the last year of your contract. we have probs made a deal with him to cut out part of that contract to give him a lump sum and a saving for us, or released him to allow him to get another club - possibly already has one lined up and prepared to give up the rest of his deal to get back to playing. the lad would have been sold if someone/anyone he wanted to join come in and offered something, them releasing him shows that. something wrongs happened behind the scenes, thinking about it then it could well just be that he stopped playing ball with loans or sales since he come back and they have little choice to do anything but this, it kinda makes sense I hope he's not just been royally mucked about. Feels like there is something else to it... summat going on behind the scenes maybe? Attitude problem? I remember when he joined he wanted to take the no. 9 and Wilder shot that down: https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chris-wilder-matthew-hoppe-not-24726263 All seems a bit sad and strange. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humpty 4,488 10k Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 We didn't see O'brien at his best unfortunately. I think there's a player in there but i don't know where he fits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle_rico 453 530 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Humpty said: We didn't see O'brien at his best unfortunately. I think there's a player in there but i don't know where he fits. Him and Hackney either side of Morris in a 4-3-3. Or left back. Seem to remember him playing really well there at Watford maybe. He got injured in the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 5,978 9.2k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 22 minutes ago, JTG said: Surely no club can operate effectively if the manager has zero say in transfers. If you listened to Scott's interview with BBC Tees in the summer he said they'll create a presentation for Carrick with several players and give him input as to who he favours. There's obviously a balance and it's equally as short-sighted to give a manager free reign. I imagine jones is someone they have followed, and given they have taken so long to pay edwards off (he was due to be sacked after our game according to some) then I wouldn't be surprised if that's because they already have their next manager sorted out, who may well of said yes to jones, that would make sense to give edwards all this extended amount of time because you were trying to get your next manager sorted out first, bit like we did with warnock and west ham have just done, effectively making the current manger the interim appointment after they were sitting on managers death row. would expect a quick appointment by early next week if this is the case. mind considering how badly they have fallen since promotion, that would indicate to me that the people running the club outside of the coaching staff may well be having a mare also. these things often cascade down to on the pitch, so if thats the case maybe they are that dumb to sign players without a manager if they need to rebuild in a few areas then that manager needs to come in instantly before the window is up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 5,978 9.2k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 38 minutes ago, Leesider said: Akpom training with the reserves takes some beating 👀 no one moans about uche tho do they, he was fine to be tossed away lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 5,978 9.2k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Humpty said: We didn't see O'brien at his best unfortunately. I think there's a player in there but i don't know where he fits. yeah for me its more a cover option i'd have him back for myself if he was a cheap loan, I don't think he was cheap at all last time mind. but rather get the next morris in (project player ready to build up for when needed full time) or an older morris in on the cheap for cover who knows the crack and you can rely on without breaking the bank. failing that give the gaffa a squad number, he was fire at that united game he played in 34 minutes ago, SimonD said: I hope he's not just been royally mucked about. Feels like there is something else to it... summat going on behind the scenes maybe? Attitude problem? I remember when he joined he wanted to take the no. 9 and Wilder shot that down: https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chris-wilder-matthew-hoppe-not-24726263 All seems a bit sad and strange. I wonder if he did actually ask for the number 9, maybe he did, but wilder clearly mentioned it there to get it in his pressers that we are signing more strikers and defenders and he wants them. he was at the time pushing for a lot of deals and using the pressers to put pressure on the board, until the day he stopped when I think he had been told to wind his neck in. thing is looking back he may well of been bought as a developmental player, it was when he put that on Forss as well that I had more issue with, as forss had already shown he was a championship player clearly. one thing that tells me there is more to it than just managers not fancying him, possibly is he has had 3nr managers to work under (5 if you count the loans) a new manager is often a quick way to make them issues go away, so after wilder had kicked him in the nuts coz he wanted more from a striker bought in, then that relationship would likley be repaired under leo or carrick at least, and its clearly carried on. if there is more to it, I imagine those with lose lips around the club will feel like they can talk on it now he has left, so we might hear something on here eventually. some people must have a inside track on his issues as (i forget who) but someone deffos confirmed he had gone not too long ago. If I had to guess i'd go for homesick and never settled, and also maybe got told one thing from recruitment then the manager just wouldn't entertain him while he was being an *** on his way out of the club. the homesickness/not settling would likely be something that the other managers couldn't overcome. him going back on loan to USA was probs the signal to show he was home sick, as you would think you could loan him out in the UK again at a lower level if he was willing to go - but then the confusing thing was that he had been away from home already for a few years so you would think its not that bad, but maybe we offered money and it was choice of joining us or being frozen out (coz MLS was not going to pay anything for him that we would) maybe this season he just started refusing loans to see what we would do with his contract, agents can put you up to that, epically when the moves gone so bad, he would have the leverage of being more wasted money if we didnt cut ties weird deal all around, be interesting to see if anything comes out regarding what really happened, some people just dont work out, but complete busts like this seem to happen a lot less frequently than they used to. Edited January 9 by Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce 2,379 2k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 17 minutes ago, Humpty said: We didn't see O'brien at his best unfortunately. I think there's a player in there but i don't know where he fits. Bit like Mowatt, we he spent most of the season not fully match fit. Mowatt has been really good at WBA since then and I'm sure O'Brien will be one of the top Championship midfielders if he signs on with someone. He's more of an #8 than a #6 so he could play Hackney's role alongside Morris but would struggle when paired with Hackney. It would be an improvement on Barlaser+Hackney but that's a low bar. I don't see us being interested though. He won't be cheap and his value probably won't increase much. Plus what we really need is someone to play instead of Morris when Morris isn't available. I suspect we'll be looking for someone aged 21-23 in the £1m-£2m range who is willing to try to force his way into the team. What I would like is to get someone like Tyler Morton in on loan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borodane 7,375 27k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 18 minutes ago, uncle_rico said: Him and Hackney either side of Morris in a 4-3-3. Or left back. Seem to remember him playing really well there at Watford maybe. He got injured in the next game. And bench Azaz? Can’t see Azaz play as a winger In a 4-3-3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheltBoro 35 26 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 We stopped Downing from being in the team as he was close to trigger a bonus in his contract! another example of treatment of players. Schwarzer has been pretty vocal in past saying he wasn't happy with how he was treated by the club either when he left and afterwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leesider 1,282 1.4k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 26 minutes ago, Rob said: no one moans about uche tho do they, he was fine to be tossed away lol Poor Uche can't catch a break. Picked up an injury & hasn't even played for St Johnstone yet. I had a soft spot for the big man, Who could forget that bullet he scored against the Mighty Mansfield to start us on that brilliant cup run😎 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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