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Is £20m for Hackney over priced? I think thats what we should ask.

Didn't Forest pay around £20m to Norwich for that Irish CB?

Scott went for £25m and not going to get in to whose better but £20m for Hackney is there or thereabouts for me.

O'Brien is only worth £1m 😊

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of course we will ask for£20m+ when the day comes, easy enough to say scott sets the precedent but if the buying clubs are only offering 15m at the time and he is insisting to move we will probs be forced to take it,

just like we done with the last 3 of our big sales for akpom, tav, spence. (and there was sales prior to these above 15m that also people said set the precedent for players values too) being realistic I could see him moving for 20m but a big chunk of that 20m will be add ons for the future, like 15m+ add ons

dont think he moving during season, even the link articles are just saying that clubs have interest but he is clearly someone that is being tracked by many clubs (probs like the rest of the u21s realistically)

 

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Hackney has another 3 and a half years on his contract, we're under no pressure to sell for less than we value him for.

Tavernier had a year left.

Spence had 2, but two managers in a row had made it clear that he had no future at the club and he'd just spent a season out on loan to further hammer that home.

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4 minutes ago, Humpty said:

Alex Scott went for circa £25 million. Hackney has 7 U21 caps and Scott has none. £25 million is the starting price..

You have to factor in that Scott is 14 months younger than Hackney and has played more Championship games and has scored and assisted more than Hackney. No doubt we're in a good position and especially if Hackney continues to perform in the league and the rest of the season but he'll be 22 in the summer and Scott only turned 20 after Bournemouth bought him. That's a two year difference and that is going to have a effect on the price. At only 19 years old Scott had played 83 championship games.

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I don't think we should be looking at how many games a player has played to judge their price. Aaron connelly had over 50 prem games under his belt plus senior international experience by 21 when we signed him.

You have to look at the qualities they have and how they perform vs good players. Hackney has been a bit of a revelation for England u21s and seems to be a nailed on starter with strong competition now. His qualities lend himself very well to premier league football imo - decent athlete, covers a lot of ground, rarely misplaces a pass, press resistant, positive, decent shot and clearly has an excellent temperament/ determination considering how he was frozen out under wilder and just slotted right in when Carrick came in. 

I think he has more of the attributes to make the step up than Scott does personally.

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18 minutes ago, Borodane said:

You have to factor in that Scott is 14 months younger than Hackney and has played more Championship games and has scored and assisted more than Hackney. No doubt we're in a good position and especially if Hackney continues to perform in the league and the rest of the season but he'll be 22 in the summer and Scott only turned 20 after Bournemouth bought him. That's a two year difference and that is going to have a effect on the price. At only 19 years old Scott had played 83 championship games.

I don't especially think so. They're directly comparable. The length of Hackneys remaining contract is also significant as TeaCider mentioned. We can demand whatever we want because we don't have to sell. I don't see Hackney kicking up a fuss either. I think £25 million would be our starting price should anyone register an interest this summer.

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The market will determine the price regardless of what we quote them. If Liverpool, City and United want him then the price will go quickly North of £20M, if it's say Forest, Burnley and Palace then I think we'd do well to get over £12M from those three (just as examples). Premiership Scouts will already have him on their radar and comprehensive stats on him, if he ticks enough boxes they will move for him, question is how many rate him highly enough.

The lad has some great games but also some poor ones and Bristol was an example of where he made little to no impression. His U21 games may be a bigger factor in Scouts appraisal of him when he is among, and playing against, the best of his age group. So far on that score he seems to be impressing. 

If he does go then a price point will be triggered within the corridors of power at Boro that like some other recent outgoing transfers may well be below fans expectations but clearly judged acceptable commercially from the Club's perspective with an eye on sustainability.

Hopefully it will all become irrelevant if we can get up this season but if we are to achieve that then he and many of his team mates will have to show some consistency week in, week out.

 

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38 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

You have to look at the qualities they have and how they perform vs good players. Hackney has been a bit of a revelation for England u21s and seems to be a nailed on starter with strong competition now. His qualities lend himself very well to premier league football imo - decent athlete, covers a lot of ground, rarely misplaces a pass, press resistant, positive, decent shot and clearly has an excellent temperament/ determination considering how he was frozen out under wilder and just slotted right in when Carrick came in. 

I think he has more of the attributes to make the step up than Scott does personally.

I hadn't realised that Hackney played for the England U15s. He seems to have had quite a slump since then. It was hardly two years ago he was getting suspended for spitting while playing for Scunthorpe and not exactly shining. He has really turned things around since then. It's not quite in the Chuba league but it's still a fair old redemption story.

I think, also, it's not quite clear what kind of a midfielder he is. I personally think he's best as a goal-scoring #8 but England have been using him as a deep-lying #6. 

I also get the feeling that if Scott stays injury free and gets a run of games for Bournemouth that he may displace Hackney in the England u21s.

I do reckon we're in a good position to hold out for £20m+ in the summer if we don't go up but I think we would only sell him if we end up having a poor season this season or Hackney goes on strike. For his own career, Hackney really needs to be playing in the Premier league next season. Another season in the Championship and he risks stalling.

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2 hours ago, Humpty said:

I don't especially think so. They're directly comparable. The length of Hackneys remaining contract is also significant as TeaCider mentioned. We can demand whatever we want because we don't have to sell. I don't see Hackney kicking up a fuss either. I think £25 million would be our starting price should anyone register an interest this summer.

defs be our starting price but sure we will come down on that if we were to sell in the following 2 windows, however I feel there will be plenty of never never options in add ons to get us closer to a decent fee

1 hour ago, Redcar Rioja said:

The market will determine the price regardless of what we quote them. If Liverpool, City and United want him then the price will go quickly North of £20M, if it's say Forest, Burnley and Palace then I think we'd do well to get over £12M from those three (just as examples). Premiership Scouts will already have him on their radar and comprehensive stats on him, if he ticks enough boxes they will move for him, question is how many rate him highly enough.

The lad has some great games but also some poor ones and Bristol was an example of where he made little to no impression. His U21 games may be a bigger factor in Scouts appraisal of him when he is among, and playing against, the best of his age group. So far on that score he seems to be impressing. 

If he does go then a price point will be triggered within the corridors of power at Boro that like some other recent outgoing transfers may well be below fans expectations but clearly judged acceptable commercially from the Club's perspective with an eye on sustainability.

Hopefully it will all become irrelevant if we can get up this season but if we are to achieve that then he and many of his team mates will have to show some consistency week in, week out.

 

this is it, I think its most likely the cheaper side of the premier league is what comes in for him, they are going to be those who have the best chance to tempt him with regular game time,  these are normally savvy clubs when it comes to spending, and several were in our position several years ago so know themselves how these things can end up too. 

I think you need 2 of these bigger clubs in the picture to push it past 20m up front too, as they need someone to compete with to go up on what is on the table, 

only way they will offer way more than the bottom half of the league when they know they are the competition is to take the other clubs out the equation (knowing he may go there for game time, so will pay more to try and squeeze them out the running). 

I always think fans always see the upsides on these days and not any downsides etc, so always seem to fall in the trap of player X sold to this team for this many millions so we want same or more because he is better in our opinion, but most the time it don't usually work out that way.

think its way early to be talking like he going tho, at least until the summer, and even then we may get another year out of him in this league still.

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1 hour ago, Rob said:

how many pages before KM or the T-Kink Army comes back to the site when they realise the thread is up early lol?

must be the longest they have gone without hitting the thread up lol 

Just wait until we see Juninho 28!

Problem is that at times he wasn't far off which had me wondering 50% wind up and 50% in the know, or is that the bloke in the hut or a shed of some sort?

Alternatively anyone know any middle aged housewives who just happens to know someone who knows someone? At least she had an impressive 100% hit rate!

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I think he was on the wind up, due to how he usually ends up losing it and going off on people before getting banned again, that sorta action leaves him easy to file under trolling,

I think as well its easy to come up with stuff that sounds like might be true once a link is out there, calling stuff 100% cold no one else is attempting to call that comes off is only way I think you can prove yourself (as easy to argue otherwise if was already out there and is 50/50 on happening)

for example making up speculation (for attention or trolling) around buying giles, selling akpom for example is pretty easy to do when there is so much info out there already (and are likely scenarios) , and you always have the get out clause of things have changed or another team coming in changes things, as apposed to coming to the table with a player we barely heard of before that lands (like if one of us predicted lath a week or so before it was leaked)

haha mungosmum was the one, she was defs hitting giles dad or something for sure, even predicting him being dropped by coventry before she disappeared showed she had an in on something others never lol.

who was the one in the summer getting tips from a woman who worked in baulkhaul offices? wasn't he right about something (before it was leaked on something vague but specific enough to join the dots) before being wrong about other things lol

must admit the amateur detective work some people put in during the windows makes them very entertaining at times lol

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I hope it doesn't come to this and Hackney is still here next season but if he has to go, to get the maximum fee for him we need maybe 3 clubs wanting to sign him. With Spence, he wouldn't entertain anyone other than Spurs, it seems like only Bournemouth wanted Tav and once Ajax wanted Akpom that seemed a foregone conlusion. Now, if 3 clubs say Palace, Forest and Fulham want Hackney that should mean we would get top dollar for him.

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