Boro v WBA 1-0 (Rogers)

[TeaCider24 18,300 23.4k]

From today's press conference:

Dieng will pronably be missing, but it shouldn't be long term and he should be available next week.

Hackney will be out injured for another week or two.

McGree and Coburn are nearing a return but probably won't be back in time for Saturday.

No real updates on the injuries from Tuesday, but he's not outright ruled them out at least.

Edited December 21, 2023 by TeaCider24

[BoroSmoggie 4,105 4.3k]

Also says Rogers is a knee injury. I originally thought it was a dead leg. Can’t see him being back any time soon as if it’s a knee injury from that hefty collision/impact I can see it being quite serious 

[Downsouth 8,153 39k]

You never know what to expect from WBA and we can't expect that whatever team Carrick puts out will be involved in a goalless draw.

Simply put if we take our chances we stand a chance of winning.

There's going to be goals for sure

Score draw for me

[Redcar Rioja 9,035 8.8k]

56 minutes ago, Downsouth said:

You never know what to expect from WBA and we can't expect that whatever team Carrick puts out will be involved in a goalless draw.

Simply put if we take our chances we stand a chance of winning.

There's going to be goals for sure

Score draw for me

It provides an opportunity for one or two of the young lads to stake a claim Hackney style.

McCabe played a peach of a cross field ball picking out Bangura (I think) on the left on Tuesday night and Kav was mere millimetres away from scoring. If given a chance they for sure will be going for it and the Baggies will have zero idea on who they are and what they can do. It smacks of a truly "Typical Boro" moment leaving us all asking why the heck they haven't been involved before now.

[Downsouth 8,153 39k]

1 minute ago, Redcar Rioja said:

It provides an opportunity for one or two of the young lads to stake a claim Hackney style.

McCabe played a peach of a cross field ball picking out Bangura (I think) on the left on Tuesday night and Kav was mere millimetres away from scoring. If given a chance they for sure will be going for it and the Baggies will have zero idea on who they are and what they can do. It smacks of a truly "Typical Boro" moment leaving us all asking why the heck they haven't been involved before now.

RR I do so hope you are right!

[Humpty 5,144 10.6k]

I'll be surprised to get anything out of this game. We're down to our bare bones and according to Carrick haven't really had any full training sessions.

[RiseAgainst 4,998 4.1k]

Predicted lineup/scoreline?

I don't follow the U18s, so I couldn't really say. We're way beyond the bare bones now, though - we're scraping soil off fossils.

What does Michael Carrick want off Santa Gibson for Christmas?

A RB, a CB, an ACM and a ST.

Who will get injured in this match? 

Roary. He'll run into the boiler and his head will fall off. (The Download Dog mascot lost his head at Download Festival this year while headbanging on stage, and gloriously, it was captured on the big screens as the student inside the costume tried to hide behind an amp stack.)

Have you ever eaten a faggot?

As a lifelong vegetarian, I can honestly say no. They sound absolutely loathsome, like frozen haggis. I get the appeal of a bacon butty or a parmo, but why do people enjoy eating offal so much? 

[Bruce 3,109 2.5k]

I'm getting distinct 1996-97 trauma all over again. Hard to know who is considered fit enough to start but even at our best, Corberan is one of those managers who seems to have our number. He's kind of the Anti-Carrick in that he will change the formation and style of play from match to match. It can backfire pretty badly but once he has his squad properly drilled he makes them very hard to beat. To be honest he was my first preference to replace Wilder with Edwards second. I was burnt out on doing 180 turns between experienced and first-time managers. I can't see beyond them doing a number on us with a routine 2-0 win.

If none of our almost-walking wounded are fit to start, the team I reckon Carrick will pick is

It isn't what I would do but it is what I expect Carrick to do. He may also put Silvera on right and Greenwood up top. Personally I would line up more as 4-3-3 with Howson and Barlaser both sitting and put an actual striker like Kavanagh up front. 

I like in Scotland. I'll eat haggis for breakfast. Brains faggots are delicious.

As for Christmas. I don't know what the plan is. Are we sticking with developing our youngsters no matter what or will we pivot back to loans in order to push for the play-offs?

 

[Neverbefore 15,083 29.3k]

1 hour ago, Bruce said:

I'm getting distinct 1996-97 trauma all over again. Hard to know who is considered fit enough to start but even at our best, Corberan is one of those managers who seems to have our number. He's kind of the Anti-Carrick in that he will change the formation and style of play from match to match. It can backfire pretty badly but once he has his squad properly drilled he makes them very hard to beat. To be honest he was my first preference to replace Wilder with Edwards second. I was burnt out on doing 180 turns between experienced and first-time managers. I can't see beyond them doing a number on us with a routine 2-0 win.

If none of our almost-walking wounded are fit to start, the team I reckon Carrick will pick is

It isn't what I would do but it is what I expect Carrick to do. He may also put Silvera on right and Greenwood up top. Personally I would line up more as 4-3-3 with Howson and Barlaser both sitting and put an actual striker like Kavanagh up front. 

I like in Scotland. I'll eat haggis for breakfast. Brains faggots are delicious.

As for Christmas. I don't know what the plan is. Are we sticking with developing our youngsters no matter what or will we pivot back to loans in order to push for the play-offs?

 

Curious if you still feel this way. If you were offered a manager swap tomorrow would you take it?

[Bruce 3,109 2.5k]

1 hour ago, Neverbefore said:

Curious if you still feel this way. If you were offered a manager swap tomorrow would you take it?

At this point, no, because it would take a season to convert players from Carrick's style to Corberan's. Edwards is more pragmatic than Corberan and might get slightly more out of our current squad than Carrick but at this point, I would rather stick with the plan.

My personal theory is that if Edwards or Corberan had taken over instead of Carrick that we would have been promoted. I think we had a really good squad being mismanaged by Wilder and once his toxic influence had worn off we recovered. Carrick also lucked into a once in a generation resurrection story. I reckon Akpom's story was 80% Akpom and 20% Carrick. 

However, Carrick may prove in the long run to be a better manager than either of them. He's been a real breath of fresh air and I think the way he manages by promoting others to take the glory (rather than making it all about himself as the special one) is what I want to see in a manager.

 

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6 hours ago, TeaCider24 said:

From today's press conference:

Dieng will pronably be missing, but it shouldn't be long term and he should be available next week.

Hackney will be out injured for another week or two.

McGree and Coburn are nearing a return but probably won't be back in time for Saturday.

No real updates on the injuries from Tuesday, but he's not outright ruled them out at least.

I took a different view from what MC said at presser:

1. Dieng is a matter of days and not weeks so could be back for v WBA

2. McGree and Coburn wont start v WBA but have a good chance of making the bench.

3. Echo said Hackney should be ok for Chelsea but based on Carricks comments he should be ready for bench v Rotherham.

4 I think VDB and everyone from Tuesday should be ok bar Rogers

[TeaCider24 18,300 23.4k]

30 minutes ago, TLF10 said:

I took a different view from what MC said at presser:

1. Dieng is a matter of days and not weeks so could be back for v WBA

2. McGree and Coburn wont start v WBA but have a good chance of making the bench.

3. Echo said Hackney should be ok for Chelsea but based on Carricks comments he should be ready for bench v Rotherham.

4 I think VDB and everyone from Tuesday should be ok bar Rogers

I can't see why he'd say that if Dieng was going to be back, if he's not fit on Thursday, he's probably not going to be fit on Friday when I imagine he picks the provisional team.

He'd just say Dieng was okay.

I hope McGree and Coburn do make the bench, but I'm not expecting it, I think it's Carrick trying to put a bit of positivity on things as he won't be unaware about the angst over injuries right now.

 

 

 

[Neverbefore 15,083 29.3k]

11 hours ago, Bruce said:

At this point, no, because it would take a season to convert players from Carrick's style to Corberan's. Edwards is more pragmatic than Corberan and might get slightly more out of our current squad than Carrick but at this point, I would rather stick with the plan.

My personal theory is that if Edwards or Corberan had taken over instead of Carrick that we would have been promoted. I think we had a really good squad being mismanaged by Wilder and once his toxic influence had worn off we recovered. Carrick also lucked into a once in a generation resurrection story. I reckon Akpom's story was 80% Akpom and 20% Carrick. 

However, Carrick may prove in the long run to be a better manager than either of them. He's been a real breath of fresh air and I think the way he manages by promoting others to take the glory (rather than making it all about himself as the special one) is what I want to see in a manager.

 

You really think they would have overseen the same turn around in fortunes that Carrick did last season? I think that's taking a lot of credit away from what Carrick accomplished last season tbh. The run we were on was unbelievable. 

[Redcar Rioja 9,035 8.8k]

13 hours ago, TeaCider24 said:

I can't see why he'd say that if Dieng was going to be back, if he's not fit on Thursday, he's probably not going to be fit on Friday when I imagine he picks the provisional team.

He'd just say Dieng was okay.

I hope McGree and Coburn do make the bench, but I'm not expecting it, I think it's Carrick trying to put a bit of positivity on things as he won't be unaware about the angst over injuries right now.

 

 

 

I have learned to take whatever is said during Press conferences by Carrick regarding players generally with a pinch of salt. He gives nothing away, just responds with a response because he has been asked the question, his responses are not necessarily what the actual situation is at any given time.

[diggerlad07 4,256 2.7k]

For some reason I feel this is really important to win this tomorrow and will dictate how festive period fixtures will go.

Regardless of performance, I feel a win tomorrow With all the injuries etc will really push us on to a positive run over the Xmas period.

I feel if we get beat tomorrow then morale will drop and we will struggle over Xmas period.

So....... will no doubt end up 0 - 0