3 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Despite all the stats the game plan wasn't working fine and I said so at half time. The game ended the first half with the atmosphere subdued and we started the second half in an equally subdued manner. I said if Carrick didn't change something at 45 then it would end up,0-0 or worse still we would lose to a 40 yard Worldy. As it happens it was even worse than a Worldy.

For all our possession and opportunities it wasn't working. When Carrick rolled the dice the game was in the dying seconds, if it was the right decision to try something different then, then why not earlier? We aren't going to agree, I'm not totally convinced by Carrick, many are and I understand why but I keep seeing the same frustrations.

That’s just your opinion though, the first half I seen didn’t look like any changes needed making, we were on top, camped in their half and should have been at least 1-0 in front. I just don’t see what these changes would have achieved or why they were needed 🤷‍♂️ 

the other poster is right in that all your posts are desperately trying to pin this defeat on Carrick for some bizarre reason. I’d be interested to know who you’d want instead of Carrick who you’d think would get more out of these players? 

1 minute ago, LinoJo3 said:

That’s just your opinion though, the first half I seen didn’t look like any changes needed making, we were on top, camped in their half and should have been at least 1-0 in front. I just don’t see what these changes would have achieved or why they were needed 🤷‍♂️ 

the other poster is right in that all your posts are desperately trying to pin this defeat on Carrick for some bizarre reason. I’d be interested to know who you’d want instead of Carrick who you’d think would get more out of these players? 

Where have I suggested we get rid of Carrick? What I am saying is that I'm not convinced by him. There are things that we aren't improving on that are within his remit like defending set pieces and indeed our own set pieces (as I said in another post we had 11 corners this afternoon) and things that I question his decision making on. That isn't calling for his head, that's being questioning or unconvinced just yet. At some point the L Plates have to come off.

6 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Where have I suggested we get rid of Carrick? What I am saying is that I'm not convinced by him. There are things that we aren't improving on that are within his remit like defending set pieces and indeed our own set pieces (as I said in another post we had 11 corners this afternoon) and things that I question his decision making on. That isn't calling for his head, that's being questioning or unconvinced just yet. At some point the L Plates have to come off.

You haven’t suggested it but the tone of your posts is along the lines of wanting someone else in .

I think the performance today was decent but ultimately what cost us our finishing.

If there is one benefit then it showed (not that I think they needed convincing) to Carrick & Co just how badly we need a striker so that could be the long term blessing.

The result stings but one of those we will hopefully get over v Sheff Wed.

10 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Where have I suggested we get rid of Carrick? What I am saying is that I'm not convinced by him. There are things that we aren't improving on that are within his remit like defending set pieces and indeed our own set pieces (as I said in another post we had 11 corners this afternoon) and things that I question his decision making on. That isn't calling for his head, that's being questioning or unconvinced just yet. At some point the L Plates have to come off.

Without Carrick, we would be 18th

4 minutes ago, SimonD said:

Without Carrick, we would be 18th

Without Carrick we would probably have Woodgate and be a darn site worse than 18th!

Carrick has done far more good for this club than bad and has definately earned the benefit of the doubt imo, there’s no realistic manager we could get who I’d rather have here.

We cant moan at the club for buying cheap players and then moan at Carrick that we aren’t playing every attack perfectly and defending every counter attack perfectly. 
 

We are on a generally upward curve finally with the young attack minded manager we all wanted, the DoF model we wanted and focusing on trying to get the unpolished gems that we all hoped we’d try doing. Please don’t let us be another group of spoilt fans demanding the unrealistic and crying when we don’t get it.

Well that was bloody annoying.

Had family round so had to turn it off just before they scored. The biggest annoyance about today was after the WBA result I really hoped some of the young lads would really kick on and show we didn't need a whole lot in Jan. After that I'm back thinking I don't think any are ready to be starters. You've got Mcgree and Forss (assuming they come back the same players) probably Jones, and that's it who are capable of being in a top 6 team. After that you've got a bunch of nearly men. 

I know I'm one of Djiksteels bigger fans on here but I think he has been absolutely fine recently and would put the forward positions way ahead of the need to replace him. 

The number 10 and striker roles are musts. 

One positive is that today proved that I'm not the jinx when it comes to away matches against struggling clubs.

We've lost to Rotherham when I'm there and when I'm not. 👍

Though we did play a lot better today than in April, and should have won comfortably, the result was the same.

 

Edited December 26, 20232 yr by TeaCider24

If you don't take your chances, you keep the opposition in the game and I understand that perspective in terms of worrying the result would end up the way it did.

But short of being on the pitch in the position to receive the ball that Greenwood was given in the second half to take the chance himself, there's nothing Carrick can do to turn that chance into a goal and put the game 1-0 in our favour at the time.

Carrick can tactically make things happen to try and create chances at one end and prevent chances at the other but ultimately it's up to the players to take those chances when they come. And it's not like we're talking Pulis-level chance creation either, where they get one a game and sometimes that might be from 25-yards, in which case it's pretty much not a chance at all. All our best chances were in the box with pretty much just the keeper to beat and we had at least 3 very good chances to score from open play, as well as a few set-piece efforts and shots from the edge of the area.

9 minutes ago, LinoJo3 said:

Carrick has done far more good for this club than bad and has definately earned the benefit of the doubt imo, there’s no realistic manager we could get who I’d rather have here.

We cant moan at the club for buying cheap players and then moan at Carrick that we aren’t playing every attack perfectly and defending every counter attack perfectly. 
 

We are on a generally upward curve finally with the young attack minded manager we all wanted, the DoF model we wanted and focusing on trying to get the unpolished gems that we all hoped we’d try doing. Please don’t let us be another group of spoilt fans demanding the unrealistic and crying when we don’t get it.

I'm not demanding anything unrealistic, we should have won that game today, comfortably, but it was obvious to me at Half Time that another 45 minutes of the same was unlikely to work and if anything we would be caught out. The second half started and it was more of the same except if anything starting to become boring despite all the stats showing that we mullered them.

With better Strikers MC's tactics would have worked more often than not but Carrick has to work with the hand he was dealt (the same as Leam Richardson had to with his injury depleted squad). We have enjoyed some great moments with him and some frustrations such as the lack of a willingness to change things (until far too late in the game), unwillingness to make Substitutions (unless forced before 60 minutes), our set pieces which are poorly planned, thought out and executed, our defending of the same (and in general). Poor Officiating and nothing being said (even dear old Leo doing the dirty work if needs be). A WBA Player should have been sent off at the weekend yet wasn't, as it happened it didn't cost us but I'd bet a pound to a penny had it been Warnock in our dug out the Ref wouldn't have fudged it. Heaven forbid had Kipre later equalised form a Corner.

In balance the Summer recruitment wasn't as good as we and he would have liked. Our start to the season was dire in terms of our own history and it was only after the obvious when he went back to the bones of last years squad he turned it around, all part of the learning process and he learned so fair play to him. Again in balance he has made a few silk purses out of pigs ears but that's to be expected and required of any Manager in any walk of life. Akpom was a revelation last year as was Hackney so again kudos so it isn't all bad, in fact far from it, but he does seemingly either have a stubborn streak or blind spots. As in any career (Karanka) if you don't learn from your mistakes and improve on your weaknesses you become famous for a few months or a few seasons at best. Continuing to do the same things in the same way and getting mediocre results will eventually lead to disenchantment and frustration, just ask Birmingham fans at the moment. 

If Carrick fails to "learn and improve" then Boro will pay the price along with his career. If he succeeds or better still overachieves then all is great but to achieve that also means how you manage in adversity, indeed it is often in adversity that management potential starts to shine brightly. If we outplay Villa and win 3-0 he will rightly be lauded for his tactical ingenuity but when things don't go to plan Managers have to carry the can for that. That's two disappointing results away to struggling sides at Wednesday and Rotherham he has to own that just as he earned the praise for his sides battling performance against WBA just days previously.

My overall view on Carrick is that I think he knows what sort of Manager he wants to become (more Southgate than Fergie probably) but as yet there are many dots he needs to join up to realise the latent potential that we think and hope (some more than others) lies within.

Really *** off with that result. I thought we actually played really well, defended set pieces confidently and never let Rotherham have a sniff. We did the hard part numerous times, making gilt-edged chances against a dogged defence with no intention of doing anything but sitting deep and denying us space. So gutting to do absolutely everything to win the game barring putting the ball in the net. 

Not going to talk about the referee's decision because I really think that with the chances we had it should have been inconsequential to the result.

 

21 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Poor Officiating and nothing being said (even dear old Leo doing the dirty work if needs be). A WBA Player should have been sent off at the weekend yet wasn't, as it happened it didn't cost us but I'd bet a pound to a penny had it been Warnock in our dug out the Ref wouldn't have fudged it. Heaven forbid had Kipre later equalised form a Corner.

Warnock got no more or less than any other manager out of officials from bouncing around like a tit. He was embarrassing. Lets not pretend that it would have changed the referee's mind if Carrick had kicked up any more of a fuss than he did.

23 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

My overall view on Carrick is that I think he knows what sort of Manager he wants to become (more Southgate than Fergie probably) but as yet there are many dots he needs to join up to realise the latent potential that we think and hope (some more than others) lies within.

And I think this is fine, too. Carrick is just over 12 months into his managerial career. Today's performance did nothing to make me think he's any further along or further back than I thought before today. I think it's fine not to think the sun shines out of his *** because it doesn't. But I think especially after the start to this season and how we responded, he has earned the patience of the fans. Even if things aren't going great, he's not lost the plot, he's just figuring it out, as any young manager in his position would be.

33 minutes ago, Redcar Rioja said:

I'm not demanding anything unrealistic, we should have won that game today, comfortably, but it was obvious to me at Half Time that another 45 minutes of the same was unlikely to work and if anything we would be caught out. The second half started and it was more of the same except if anything starting to become boring despite all the stats showing that we mullered them.

With better Strikers MC's tactics would have worked more often than not but Carrick has to work with the hand he was dealt (the same as Leam Richardson had to with his injury depleted squad). We have enjoyed some great moments with him and some frustrations such as the lack of a willingness to change things (until far too late in the game), unwillingness to make Substitutions (unless forced before 60 minutes), our set pieces which are poorly planned, thought out and executed, our defending of the same (and in general). Poor Officiating and nothing being said (even dear old Leo doing the dirty work if needs be). A WBA Player should have been sent off at the weekend yet wasn't, as it happened it didn't cost us but I'd bet a pound to a penny had it been Warnock in our dug out the Ref wouldn't have fudged it. Heaven forbid had Kipre later equalised form a Corner.

In balance the Summer recruitment wasn't as good as we and he would have liked. Our start to the season was dire in terms of our own history and it was only after the obvious when he went back to the bones of last years squad he turned it around, all part of the learning process and he learned so fair play to him. Again in balance he has made a few silk purses out of pigs ears but that's to be expected and required of any Manager in any walk of life. Akpom was a revelation last year as was Hackney so again kudos so it isn't all bad, in fact far from it, but he does seemingly either have a stubborn streak or blind spots. As in any career (Karanka) if you don't learn from your mistakes and improve on your weaknesses you become famous for a few months or a few seasons at best. Continuing to do the same things in the same way and getting mediocre results will eventually lead to disenchantment and frustration, just ask Birmingham fans at the moment. 

If Carrick fails to "learn and improve" then Boro will pay the price along with his career. If he succeeds or better still overachieves then all is great but to achieve that also means how you manage in adversity, indeed it is often in adversity that management potential starts to shine brightly. If we outplay Villa and win 3-0 he will rightly be lauded for his tactical ingenuity but when things don't go to plan Managers have to carry the can for that. That's two disappointing results away to struggling sides at Wednesday and Rotherham he has to own that just as he earned the praise for his sides battling performance against WBA just days previously.

My overall view on Carrick is that I think he knows what sort of Manager he wants to become (more Southgate than Fergie probably) but as yet there are many dots he needs to join up to realise the latent potential that we think and hope (some more than others) lies within.

We created more chances 2nd half than the first half if you include what should have been a penalty…

Idk you just seem so hesitant to give Carrick any credit yet so easily find negatives. Apparently it’s ‘expected’ for a manager to get an outcast player scoring 30 goals for the first time in his life, yet he’s still poor because he doesn’t rant at referees??? Just admit you don’t like Carrick.

2 hours ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Without Carrick we would probably have Woodgate and be a darn site worse than 18th!

Mate the table is lying!!!