1 minute ago, Changing Times said:

I didn't dismiss the stat site you used.  The stats on there are the same I put on here.  I dismissed the idea of using their ratings though cos they are nonsense.  I only used the stats to show that my actual comments last night about his performance were accurate that's all, which seems fair enough if I'm being told that I'm wrong.

I’m not just going off stats tho. I was shocked when I 1st seen your comment on Engels performance because a lot of people I spoke to after the match said he was MOTM, Maddo put his name forward for it on bbc tees and he was voted it on the clubs twitter page by our fans. Main reason I replied back to you was the comment about Giles being a better defender. In fairness that’s your opinion and I respect that but once again you’re the 1st person I’ve heard that from so was just wondering your reasoning. I can’t really remember Giles ever putting a tackle in he just backed off. Also don’t think I’ve ever seen him win a header. 
 

Just now, Mfcdanny said:

I’m not just going off stats tho. I was shocked when I 1st seen your comment on Engels performance because a lot of people I spoke to after the match said he was MOTM, Maddo put his name forward for it on bbc tees and he was voted it on the clubs twitter page by our fans. Main reason I replied back to you was the comment about Giles being a better defender. In fairness that’s your opinion and I respect that but once again you’re the 1st person I’ve heard that from so was just wondering your reasoning. I can’t really remember Giles ever putting a tackle in he just backed off. Also don’t think I’ve ever seen him win a header. 
 

Again though, I didn't say Engel was bad, I just said he was the worst of our defenders.  If a lot of people felt he was MOTM then they're wrong as he simply wasn't our best player on the night.  Apparently Jones got the Sky MOTM and I think that was wrong as well.  The best players, and I'd struggle to separate them, were the three central defenders.  They are the only ones who truly played their role well.  Everyone else defended with everything they had, and worked their socks off, but they didn't play particularly well if we're being honest about it.  We lost the ball far too easily for one thing with simple passes being misplaced.  It's one thing to be pressured into losing it but just giving it away is poor play, and there was too much of it from us last night even in the context of playing against a team who are clearly better than us.

My reasoning for saying about Giles and Engel is that I feel Engel makes lots of mental errors.  Giles wasn't responsible for the same amount of goals we've conceded as Engel already has been in my opinion.  However, I think he has the potential to be a better defender than Giles, who isn't really a defender in the proper sense.  It's just a question of learning the mental side of things to me - decision making, positioning, stuff like that, and there's no reason to believe that he won't be successful.

3 minutes ago, Changing Times said:

Again though, I didn't say Engel was bad, I just said he was the worst of our defenders.  If a lot of people felt he was MOTM then they're wrong as he simply wasn't our best player on the night.  Apparently Jones got the Sky MOTM and I think that was wrong as well.  The best players, and I'd struggle to separate them, were the three central defenders.  They are the only ones who truly played their role well.  Everyone else defended with everything they had, and worked their socks off, but they didn't play particularly well if we're being honest about it.  We lost the ball far too easily for one thing with simple passes being misplaced.  It's one thing to be pressured into losing it but just giving it away is poor play, and there was too much of it from us last night even in the context of playing against a team who are clearly better than us.

My reasoning for saying about Giles and Engel is that I feel Engel makes lots of mental errors.  Giles wasn't responsible for the same amount of goals we've conceded as Engel already has been in my opinion.  However, I think he has the potential to be a better defender than Giles, who isn't really a defender in the proper sense.  It's just a question of learning the mental side of things to me - decision making, positioning, stuff like that, and there's no reason to believe that he won't be successful.

Yeh mate everyone who has a different opinion on their MOTM is wrong. I’ll ask you 1st in future before I pick mine 👍🏻

Just now, Mfcdanny said:

Yeh mate everyone who has a different opinion on their MOTM is wrong. I’ll ask you 1st in future before I pick mine 👍🏻

Ok, what did Engel do so well in your opinion that was better than every other player in a Boro shirt?   Maybe try and look at it from that point of view.

Just now, Changing Times said:

Ok, what did Engel do so well in your opinion that was better than every other player in a Boro shirt?   Maybe try and look at it from that point of view.

Just forget about it. Your right 👍🏻

Just now, Mfcdanny said:

Just forget about it. Your right 👍🏻

Suits me 🙌

 

 

Thank God people only vote for things that are definitely right eh? 🙃

I voted for the whole team, each player was tremendous & gave all they could

2 hours ago, Erimus74 said:

20 years ago we won the cup

Leap year

Beat fellow London Arsenal darlings & massive favourites home & away over both legs

Won the 1st leg at Arsenal 1-0

And another thing that fate is/ could be on our side

Ian Baird on loan from Leeds, wembley cup finalist v Chelsea

Danny Mills on loan from Leeds millenium cup winners v Bolton

Luke Ayling & Sam Greenwood from Leeds wembley finalists? 

Just saying like 😁

Engel wasn’t in my consideration for MOTM last night. His judgement was hit and miss most of the night. I do give him credit for adapting to his change in position well though. 
 

My MOTM went to Fry but I had it between one of Fry, Clarke, Barlaser or Jones.

9 hours ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

This got a lol out of me

 

at least he's one that never cost 100m lol 

7 hours ago, OldManGravz said:

Wouldnt we go in the conference league though? Haha

fancy a half price holiday next year? lmfao

This is quite a good analysis on the game, pretty critical of Chelski while also appreciating our performance. I hope Chelski don't see it before the 2nd leg!

 

6 hours ago, HolgateHero said:

This is quite a good analysis on the game, pretty critical of Chelski while also appreciating our performance. I hope Chelski don't see it before the 2nd leg!

 

This is a great video, thanks

On this one I agree with CT as I think Engel still has a tendency to getting sucked into rash challenges. That said I thought he was very good last night , just not the best. 

Fry was my MOTM , closely followed by Clarke

All in all though every one of them was a hero