Preston v Boro 2-1 (Azaz)

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Just now, TeaCider24 said:

Hoppe's like a development new signing.

Let's goooooo.

corrected for you 

seems like he never found his feet, but one thing is he always seems keen AF, thats one thing he has going if he gets a chance late in a game 

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Just now, wilsoncgp said:

It's got to be hard for everyone involved too. Whilst the season continues, if that does impact on morale and performances, it could severely impact confidence in the coaches and players.

Plus the fact that I assume we're trying to convince the likes of mcgree, Jones and Carrick to sign on for further years. Hard to sell a project if you just give up half way through for a few months. Regardless of what the goal is for next season, we need to just keep going to carry some momentum into next season. We saw at the start of this season how hard it is to pick yourself up from a poor end to the previous season.

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11 minutes ago, Borodane said:

Yeah let's just wait and see on that account. If people really think that we are saving up all this cash and room in the FFP budget to spend really big in the summer I think they are going to be disappointed. We will spend money, obviously, as we need some serious strengthening but it'll be more like last summer. And we don't need to be "on a push" this season. A few weeks ago we were just a few points outside the playoffs and didn't have a fit striker. And we decided to do nothing about that. It didn't need a push to get another option in to be competitive. 

Weird thing to make a definitive statement about.

We don't know how we'll spend in the summer. Everything we've done so far though suggests we are looking to give it a good go in the summer.

If we don't I'll be right at the front of the queue complaining and I'll have lost all faith in this team, but to just flat out deny it's an option is definitely...a choice?

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Away debuts/final appearance v Preston

20/2/1904 - Andrew McGuigan made his debut after arriving from Liverpool in January & John Tomlin made his final Boro appearance won 3-0
13/10/1906 – Henry Tucker scored on debut lost 4-2
30/11/1907 - Alexander McCulloch goalscorer made his final appearance before moving to Newcastle United in February 1908 drew 1-1
04/04/1913 – Richard Healey won 4-1 scored on debut
17/02/1919 - Clarke Wallace lost 3-1
29/11/1913 – James Nicholl made his final appearance before moving to Liverpool this season scoring our goal in a 4-1 defeat
17/1/1920 - Wallace Clarke made his debut after moving from Durham City in the summer of 1919 lost 3-1
6/9/1920 - John Walker made his final appearance before moving to Swindon Town in 1921 lost 2-0
22/12/1923 – William Wainscoat lost 4-1 scored on debut
16/03/1935 - Ralph Birkett made his debut after moving from Arsenal this month. Sydney Jarvis made his final appearance before moving to Darlington in July 1936 lost 2-0
3/4/1937 - Raymond Parkin made his last appearance before moving to Southampton in September lost 2-0
29/01/1947 - Harold Mattinson won 1-0
15/09/1962 - Robert Hume won 1-0
05/09/2012 - Jason Leutwiler won 3-1 - Our 67th GK - 34th League cup debutant
05/09/2012 - Stuart Parnaby won 3-1 - 35th League cup debutant
09/08/2015 - Stewart Downing drew 0-0 - 2nd spell at the club
09/08/2015 - Dale Fry drew 0-0
09/08/2015 - Diego Fabrini drew 0-0 - 74th loaned player - Loaned from Watford - 52nd at the Riverside
09/08/2015 - Christian Stuani drew 0-0

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7 minutes ago, Borodane said:

Well the window isn't bigger than we don't have a fit striker. It's a fairly stinking situation. I'm not a professional director of football so I don't know who is available, but there is a whole world of football out there so someone with connections and a little more insight should have been able to get one. I'd have taken Kieffer Moore as a six month stop gap. It's not like we don't have a chance of the playoffs. Norwich brought in a striker on loan from Serie A who's previously scored lots of goals in Holland. The options are certainly out there. We just sat on our hands.

Well, after 3 games he's played a whole 11 minutes

 In the Netherlands he has started 4 whole matches all season and scored 1 goal. I suspect that Latte Lath will be fit before he is. 

I agree that if a striker we actually wanted was available for a price we could afford then it would have been great to buy him and give him a few months to get up to speed. You have to assume that there was no one who could even do a short-term job who was willing to come for a contract we were willing to offer.

E.g. Lucas Joao. Hasn't played in 3 months and was almost permanently injured in his last couple of years in the Championship. Maybe we offered him a 6 month earn a contract type deal and he said no. No way are we going to be offering a long contract to a 30 year old with a bad injury record.

I have no reason to believe we "sat on our hands." I suspect that given our limited budget and our presumable need to make a big money buy in the summer that we couldn't agree a short-term deal for anyone that worked for us.

I thought Kieffer Moore was a decent shout. Maybe we bid but Ipswich offered a larger loan fee than we were willing to.

Beginning of the season we had 6 potential centre-forwards. Latte Lath, Coburn, Forss, Hoppe, Kavanagh, Nkrumah. We spent something like a £8=£10m on them so they're not exactly cheap. Two of them have spent most of the season injured. Three of them Carrick refused to play. One of them, Carrick insists on playing on the right wing. 

 

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First ever Boro away game 👍

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2 minutes ago, Bruce said:

Well, after 3 games he's played a whole 11 minutes

 In the Netherlands he has started 4 whole matches all season and scored 1 goal. I suspect that Latte Lath will be fit before he is. 

I agree that if a striker we actually wanted was available for a price we could afford then it would have been great to buy him and give him a few months to get up to speed. You have to assume that there was no one who could even do a short-term job who was willing to come for a contract we were willing to offer.

E.g. Lucas Joao. Hasn't played in 3 months and was almost permanently injured in his last couple of years in the Championship. Maybe we offered him a 6 month earn a contract type deal and he said no. No way are we going to be offering a long contract to a 30 year old with a bad injury record.

I have no reason to believe we "sat on our hands." I suspect that given our limited budget and our presumable need to make a big money buy in the summer that we couldn't agree a short-term deal for anyone that worked for us.

I thought Kieffer Moore was a decent shout. Maybe we bid but Ipswich offered a larger loan fee than we were willing to.

Beginning of the season we had 6 potential centre-forwards. Latte Lath, Coburn, Forss, Hoppe, Kavanagh, Nkrumah. We spent something like a £8=£10m on them so they're not exactly cheap. Two of them have spent most of the season injured. Three of them Carrick refused to play. One of them, Carrick insists on playing on the right wing. 

 

I know he's a *** but Bailey was sure we'd bid for a striker that moved in January for 9mil to another club. We 100% didn't sit on our hands, the money was there if we could feasibly get a striker that Carrick/scott felt would be worth the fee. 

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34 minutes ago, MRe said:

I was a skeptic about Scott last season I admit, but as we're not on a push this season I'd say the benefits from our dealings will really come to help us make a proper push next year. We have to remember that it looks like Luton (or Everton?), Burnley and Sheff Utd are likely coming back down. We'll have a much, much easier season to make a substantial push, everything will be up for grabs and I can't wait.

Exactly, this is why I find what Hull are doing so strange - you are going to have one of Southampton or Leeds in the playoffs this time round. 

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2 minutes ago, boksicdink said:

Exactly, this is why I find what Hull are doing so strange - you are going to have one of Southampton or Leeds in the playoffs this time round. 

If they run out of steam come next year I'll take it

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16 minutes ago, Bruce said:

Well, after 3 games he's played a whole 11 minutes

 In the Netherlands he has started 4 whole matches all season and scored 1 goal. I suspect that Latte Lath will be fit before he is. 

I agree that if a striker we actually wanted was available for a price we could afford then it would have been great to buy him and give him a few months to get up to speed. You have to assume that there was no one who could even do a short-term job who was willing to come for a contract we were willing to offer.

E.g. Lucas Joao. Hasn't played in 3 months and was almost permanently injured in his last couple of years in the Championship. Maybe we offered him a 6 month earn a contract type deal and he said no. No way are we going to be offering a long contract to a 30 year old with a bad injury record.

I have no reason to believe we "sat on our hands." I suspect that given our limited budget and our presumable need to make a big money buy in the summer that we couldn't agree a short-term deal for anyone that worked for us.

I thought Kieffer Moore was a decent shout. Maybe we bid but Ipswich offered a larger loan fee than we were willing to.

Beginning of the season we had 6 potential centre-forwards. Latte Lath, Coburn, Forss, Hoppe, Kavanagh, Nkrumah. We spent something like a £8=£10m on them so they're not exactly cheap. Two of them have spent most of the season injured. Three of them Carrick refused to play. One of them, Carrick insists on playing on the right wing. 

 

 Great points - who says we werent in for Kieffer Moore and he didnt pick Ipswich over us? it's just not about identifying and making a move for a player but it's also about landing that player too

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Michael Carrick was brought in with high expectations & has done ok, nothing to be concerned about with losing to another club with even talk of offering him an a new contract, which I hope is true & he accepts, now heres the thing

If we're as bad as making out on here regarding the players not been good enough, just sitting on our hands on transfers, we've given up, etc, then do people actually think that given the sale of the club Carrick will have been told on his interview that he would commit more years to the club if he thinks they've gone on their word 

I think we're going through a difficult time, results & performances have been disappointing of late, after the Chelsea home game us fans couldnt have been happier, following the Bristol City game we have 'the same group of players' that are not good enough

Do people honestly think we're miles away from Norwich who sit 6th, Sunderland, Hull, 2 teams we were far superior to but failed to win after confortably leading recently

Our injuries have knocked the stuffing out of us this season, no consistency with players playing, team selection, even with a manager who is learning, he's been dealt a bad hand

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37 minutes ago, Borodane said:

Greenwood isn't a striker and I think that's fairly obvious to see. And Carrick doesn't see Forss as a striker so we really don't have any options up front. It's really bad work from Scott.

I've looked at a few different footballing sites and it looks as though most of our forward players are "utility" players, with preferred positions and others where they can "do a job". 

Forss is down as a right winger.

Greenwood is a LW who "can" be a striker.

Azaz is described as primarily a CM who can go LW or AM

Silvera primarily a right midfielder who can also play on the left or as a striker.

Gilbert is down as a striker

ELL is a striker who can play LW.

McGree is LW who can also play on the right.

 

So if any of that is to be believed, we should be giving Gilbert a shot up front, in the absence of Coburn! 😲 Saying that I would agree we don't have many better finishers than Forss. He has a nice touch in front of goal for a winger.

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1 hour ago, edinboro said:

So tonight is a repeat of Carrick's first game in charge, a 2-1 defeat, just over a year ago. A lot has changed. Only 4 players from that day likely to start tonight. Heck of turnover of players.

Ideally we will have more stability going forward. We cannot keep on with that level of new players.

7 of that starting 11 could have been starting for us tonight if not for injuries though, so the turnover is only 4

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37 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

I know he's a *** but Bailey was sure we'd bid for a striker that moved in January for 9mil to another club. We 100% didn't sit on our hands, the money was there if we could feasibly get a striker that Carrick/scott felt would be worth the fee. 

If we actually had 9 million to spend and we could only muster 1 footballer in the entire world then yeah, I'd say we definately sat on our hands. Let's hope we don't miss out on our one target for the positions we need strenthening in the summer. Imagine having Scotts job and you can only identify 1 players and if he goes elsewhere you don't have the imagination to find another player. If the mentioned player was that American fella we had weeks to get someone else in. We dropped a huge clanger in january by not being able to bring in a striker. But yeah, let's just make do until the end of the season. Unambitious to say the least.

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55 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

I know he's a *** but Bailey was sure we'd bid for a striker that moved in January for 9mil to another club. We 100% didn't sit on our hands, the money was there if we could feasibly get a striker that Carrick/scott felt would be worth the fee. 

I don't believe that link to Vasquez was ever real, personally.

He was announced as going to Monterrey on the 3rd of January, with the only link to us being one random article in November which other hacks then copied.

I'm pretty sure that will have been one of the links that Scott was saying was just made up by agents/journalists.