Boro v Plymouth 0-2

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9 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

Actually watching it back, I'm looking at McNair's position and I wonder that if by sitting so deep, he's forced Rav back to cover for Hardie, maybe expecting the pass to be released quicker. He could have probably just stood his ground and blocked the pass but if it gets played by him on his other side then McNair is playing him onside.

 

I've said it in another thread, but yeah absolutely. This is one situation where we've missed Lenihan. He would have been on Gyabi there to at least put pressure on his pass attempt.

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Just now, wilsoncgp said:

From the angle behind the goal, I can see why Glover moves across to cover his near post but he doesn't adjust his position when Hardie cuts inside. He can't protect his whole goal but it seems to me like the bigger issue is the side he gets beaten on. The point where the shot gets taken seems to show him pretty much inline with VDB which seems the only place he shouldn't be.

Obviously a still but that looks really poor positioning and backs up what I thought in real time. If he goes near post there vdb has a good chance of blocking so glover should be anticipating it being curled into the other side. 

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1 minute ago, Smogzilla said:

I've said it in another thread, but yeah absolutely. This is one situation where we've missed Lenihan. He would have been on Gyabi there to at least put pressure on his pass attempt.

Clarke would too imo. He's not without his faults either but he is an aggressive defender and never goes missing like mcnair sometimes does.

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35 minutes ago, Smogzilla said:

I've said it in another thread, but yeah absolutely. This is one situation where we've missed Lenihan. He would have been on Gyabi there to at least put pressure on his pass attempt.

barlaser should be stood on him instead of watching space. who in our backline is giving him a rocket to pick up gyabi? where is the communication? lenny wouldnt have to close him down he'd be shouting at barlaser to pick him up, you'd hope as we know he is very vocal. 

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On 2/25/2024 at 11:46 AM, TeaCider24 said:

This was our biggest chance of the match and he put it out for a throw-in.

I'm almost relieved we were already 2-0 down as I think my head would have split if that had had anything riding on it.

It actually ended up going backwards!

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1 hour ago, wilsoncgp said:

From the angle behind the goal, I can see why Glover moves across to cover his near post but he doesn't adjust his position when Hardie cuts inside. He can't protect his whole goal but it seems to me like the bigger issue is the side he gets beaten on. The point where the shot gets taken seems to show him pretty much inline with VDB which seems the only place he shouldn't be.

Never noticed it during the match but WTAF was Paddy doing? He was essentially playing Hardie onside whilst marking absolutely nobody.......And Glover? I said this on Saturday and it's even more obvious here Hardie was always trying to get the ball onto his right foot and there was nowhere else that shot was going, there is no way he should be giving him so much goal to aim for.

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5 minutes ago, JonnyMFC said:

Never noticed it during the match but WTAF was Paddy doing? He was essentially playing Hardie onside whilst marking absolutely nobody.......And Glover? I said this on Saturday and it's even more obvious here Hardie was always trying to get the ball onto his right foot and there was nowhere else that shot was going, there is no way he should be giving him so much goal to aim for.

It's why I'm not interested in Paddy renewing here. He's so passive. We can do much better. 

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2 minutes ago, Smogzilla said:

It's why I'm not interested in Paddy renewing here. He's so passive. We can do much better. 

I have to agree, i've never been a fan and his abject defending neally cost us a third goal not long afterwards, fair enough Barlaser shouldn't have lost the ball in Midfield but the defence parted for Randell like the Red Sea did for Moses........I suspect that previous managers comments about the intelligence of players were directed towards Paddy.

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Don’t forget it was McGree’s wayward pass that started their attack for the second. Lots of mentions of Barlaser but once again it was a misdirected pass that lost us possession. Then game over.  

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4 minutes ago, Skinemrippers said:

Don’t forget it was McGree’s wayward pass that started their attack for the second. Lots of mentions of Barlaser but once again it was a misdirected pass that lost us possession. Then game over.  

Prior to that there was no Left Back picking up Sorinola for the first goal when he was left completely unattended in the 18 yard box. That I presume would normally be Thomas' fault but there was no midfielder tracking him as our defence was overloaded. That's not forgetting Glover palming the ball straight to him.

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1 hour ago, Skinemrippers said:

Don’t forget it was McGree’s wayward pass that started their attack for the second. Lots of mentions of Barlaser but once again it was a misdirected pass that lost us possession. Then game over.  

Yep. It's so bloody frustrating because we know it's going to happen but just don't react. I have zero problems with playing out and being brave on the ball, but that's contingent on being ready for the inevitable times when it doesn't work and have a defensive plan to recover. That's the major thing were missing right now, along with a cutting edge in front of goal. 

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26 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

Yep. It's so bloody frustrating because we know it's going to happen but just don't react. I have zero problems with playing out and being brave on the ball, but that's contingent on being ready for the inevitable times when it doesn't work and have a defensive plan to recover. That's the major thing were missing right now, along with a cutting edge in front of goal. 

Nailed it with this. We give the ball away then just aimlessly jog around when we should be on them in seconds. Specially when we’ve almost always got the advantage of numbers in these situations.

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1 hour ago, Neverbefore said:

Yep. It's so bloody frustrating because we know it's going to happen but just don't react. I have zero problems with playing out and being brave on the ball, but that's contingent on being ready for the inevitable times when it doesn't work and have a defensive plan to recover. That's the major thing were missing right now, along with a cutting edge in front of goal. 

It happens so often that I can only think it's something we don't work on otherwise you'd have to assume that Carrick would be going mental with them.  It doesn't help that it's a fairly slow team outside of a few individuals but we seem to be slow mentally as well as physically.

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15 hours ago, Skinemrippers said:

Don’t forget it was McGree’s wayward pass that started their attack for the second. Lots of mentions of Barlaser but once again it was a misdirected pass that lost us possession. Then game over.  

I think you have to judge those two incidents separately, personally. I think like most have said in response to what you're saying, we know that we're trying to be clever in our passing to break through teams and we have to be willing and able to react when it doesn't work. McGree's pass looks so loose and void of much intention beyond getting rid of it from his own possession, for sure. But it also happens inside the Plymouth half of the pitch when we had what... 5 players behind the ball? We initially respond to try and close the gaps and we do cut the passing lanes to every player apart from the most dangerous one.

Watching it again and in terms of Gyabi, VDB is actually pretty close to him and could maintain his position. But Barlaser doesn't seem to have any idea what's going on behind him and McNair isn't willing to move over to cover either. VDB has to race back into position because neither of his team-mates are willing to take Hardie, so VDB leaves Gyabi on his own. This all happens in the space of a 1-2 from Randell.

Gyabi and Barlaser haven't moved, VDB has gone chasing Hardie. Literally 2 seconds for VDB to have left his man and for nobody to pick him up which is the real killing point of the move. 

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Also, well played BBC for showing the realisation of danger in Barlaser's face from the above goal, so I can now understand, through a monstrous MS Paint transformation, what's really going on.