2 hours ago, Boro 86 said:

Great point. Any club doing as well as we did with “projects” would be well pleased. Key in the summer is to balance that with a few nailed on first teamers and you have to hope we have already earmarked our targets 

Dieng, as good as any keeper since Schwarzer, Glover, Bangura, Engel, ELL, Rogers though departed have done well in their debut seasons at the club, not to fussed on Silcera & Gilbert, Hoppe im sure was already here, we now need established players to compliment those signings with a mixture of academy players 

6 hours ago, ManBearPig said:

I’m not sure there. It seems the majority of this season we’ve struggled to beat a low block which has resulted in us crossing more into the box. Essentially we’ve run out of ideas at that point and resort to slinging it in. 

Id be in favour of it IF we had some sort of aerial presence in the box, but we don’t. So we put it in, lose it and then leave ourselves open on a counter attack. 

I think you'd need to look at how many crosses occurred with different scorelines, like when we are leading, level, and behind because teams behaviour often changes depending on the match situation.

The raw data says that we are only 15th this season for total number of crosses so we aren't crossing the ball that much overall.  However our accuracy is quite low, we are only the 18th highest for accurate crosses - some crosses maybe can be good crosses but not counted as accurate though so that's something to consider.  But it would seem like crossing isn't our strong point, and we seem to know that so we don't do it too much.

Last season by comparison, we had the 5th highest total number of crosses, which makes sense because Giles was a crossing machine.  The accuracy though was almost identical to this season, we were the 19th most accurate last season with just a 0.8% difference in accuracy between the two.

So, what does this tell us?  God knows.  We scored more goals last season, and we crossed the ball in a lot more.  Is there a link there or not?  We've scored fewer goals this season, and crossed the ball in less.  Is there a link there or not?  QPR make the most crosses this season, and Plymouth the least.  QPR are down at 21st in terms of goals scored, and Plymouth are up at 8th.  Ipswich and Southampton put more crosses in than most but Leicester and Leeds put fewer in than most.

I then decided to look at it from a home and away perspective. First thing to say is that at home we are only 19th in total crosses but we are 13th in total crosses away from home.  The accuracy is roughly the same but slightly less at home 20.8% to 21.01%.  We are 16th most accurate crossers at home, and 17th away from home.  So in league terms we tend to cross less than most teams, and we are also generally less accurate when we do cross.  I don't know if any of it tells a story tbh.

You might be surprised to know that Rotherham are only about 17th in total number of crosses this season.  It surprised me a bit because I kinda felt that as a more limited side they'd end up crossing the ball more.  But then I considered the fact that they don't have that much possession so I tried to relate amount of possession to amount of crosses.  Even doing this we are on the low side this season.  So basically, however I looked at it, we don't cross the ball very much relative to the rest of the Championship.

6 hours ago, LinoJo3 said:

Based on what? Do you really think Gibson would overhauled the recruiting and hired Carrick just to over see an asset stripping period?

I don’t think it’s asset stripping as such but the reality we are in. We are selling club.

This summer McGree and/or Hackney will leave.

A small amount of the money raised will be invested and that will have to find half a dozen or so players. These will likely be gambles and generally inferior to the people that have left. 

as far as I can see that’s where we are now as a club. 

6 hours ago, macapes said:

Yeah, be gutted if we sign any more like Rav or Rogers or even ELL.

Rav unquestionably looks a case above but he will fall victim to Project Hoyte either this summer or the next. 

Roger's already gone and not been replaced - which is unsurprising because I don’t think he did much for us in the league. 

ELL in a coin flip on what happens to him. I suspect he improves and goes - but at this point he’s not a raging obvious success.

That’s three selected players from a list of how many? 

I noticed you didn’t mention Boyd Munce, Conteh, Hoppe, Gilbert, Glover, Jones,  Barlaser, Bangura, Silvera who all are short of being championship quality let alone top 6.

We assembled a team last season that wasn’t good enough and have considerably weakened it this. I suspect the same will happen again next this summer.  

49 minutes ago, GrimsbyBoro said:

Rav unquestionably looks a case above but he will fall victim to Project Hoyte either this summer or the next. 

Roger's already gone and not been replaced - which is unsurprising because I don’t think he did much for us in the league. 

ELL in a coin flip on what happens to him. I suspect he improves and goes - but at this point he’s not a raging obvious success.

That’s three selected players from a list of how many? 

I noticed you didn’t mention Boyd Munce, Conteh, Hoppe, Gilbert, Glover, Jones,  Barlaser, Bangura, Silvera who all are short of being championship quality let alone top 6.

We assembled a team last season that wasn’t good enough and have considerably weakened it this. I suspect the same will happen again next this summer.  

Absolutely spot on.

3 hours ago, GrimsbyBoro said:

I noticed you didn’t mention Boyd Munce, Conteh, Hoppe, Gilbert, Glover, Jones,  Barlaser, Bangura, Silvera who all are short of being championship quality let alone top 6.

So so poor from you mate 

5 hours ago, Changing Times said:

I think you'd need to look at how many crosses occurred with different scorelines, like when we are leading, level, and behind because teams behaviour often changes depending on the match situation.

The raw data says that we are only 15th this season for total number of crosses so we aren't crossing the ball that much overall.  However our accuracy is quite low, we are only the 18th highest for accurate crosses - some crosses maybe can be good crosses but not counted as accurate though so that's something to consider.  But it would seem like crossing isn't our strong point, and we seem to know that so we don't do it too much.

Last season by comparison, we had the 5th highest total number of crosses, which makes sense because Giles was a crossing machine.  The accuracy though was almost identical to this season, we were the 19th most accurate last season with just a 0.8% difference in accuracy between the two.

So, what does this tell us?  God knows.  We scored more goals last season, and we crossed the ball in a lot more.  Is there a link there or not?  We've scored fewer goals this season, and crossed the ball in less.  Is there a link there or not?  QPR make the most crosses this season, and Plymouth the least.  QPR are down at 21st in terms of goals scored, and Plymouth are up at 8th.  Ipswich and Southampton put more crosses in than most but Leicester and Leeds put fewer in than most.

I then decided to look at it from a home and away perspective. First thing to say is that at home we are only 19th in total crosses but we are 13th in total crosses away from home.  The accuracy is roughly the same but slightly less at home 20.8% to 21.01%.  We are 16th most accurate crossers at home, and 17th away from home.  So in league terms we tend to cross less than most teams, and we are also generally less accurate when we do cross.  I don't know if any of it tells a story tbh.

You might be surprised to know that Rotherham are only about 17th in total number of crosses this season.  It surprised me a bit because I kinda felt that as a more limited side they'd end up crossing the ball more.  But then I considered the fact that they don't have that much possession so I tried to relate amount of possession to amount of crosses.  Even doing this we are on the low side this season.  So basically, however I looked at it, we don't cross the ball very much relative to the rest of the Championship.

Some detail & facts there CT, saying that, those two stats, crosses & goals we were never going to surpass lastcsrsson, as you say Giles was a crossing machine with Archer, Akpom, even Forss on 11 scoring atca tree rate

Is it still 0-0 ?

52 minutes ago, HoyteForLeftBack said:

Is it still 0-0 ?

Depends, are you at @AnglianRed's house?

Just been listening to the BBC Tees post match discussions.  Dana as usual very realistic.  Maddison with his club blazer on no doubt said the players had "tired minds".  My god is that the level of "expert" summary we have to put up with from the BBC.  Still trotting out the sad narrative that a few signings will see us right. Pathetic.

15 hours ago, GrimsbyBoro said:

Rav unquestionably looks a case above but he will fall victim to Project Hoyte either this summer or the next. 

Roger's already gone and not been replaced - which is unsurprising because I don’t think he did much for us in the league. 

ELL in a coin flip on what happens to him. I suspect he improves and goes - but at this point he’s not a raging obvious success.

That’s three selected players from a list of how many? 

I noticed you didn’t mention Boyd Munce, Conteh, Hoppe, Gilbert, Glover, Jones,  Barlaser, Bangura, Silvera who all are short of being championship quality let alone top 6.

We assembled a team last season that wasn’t good enough and have considerably weakened it this. I suspect the same will happen again next this summer.  

We going back as far as Boyd Munce?  Cool.  January 2022.

Jones is a third choice keeper we've not seen, Conteh chose to leave and is doing fine, Bangura seems alright, Barlaser had great stats with Rotherham but we play him wrong and Gilbert noone understands.

Dismissing Rogers is odd. ELL is scoring at nearly one in two (every 200 minutes) which is solid for a first season with an injury break and in our setup.

I note you don't mention McGree, Dieng, Steffen, Archer, Ramsay, Giles, Lenihan, Smith, Clarke, Forss, Azaz.  Easy this list making lark.

I'd argue last season's team was good enough, management wasn't. I'd also say we were never going to strengthen from last season - too much quality to replace at too high a cost.

2 minutes ago, macapes said:

I'd argue last season's team was good enough, management wasn't. I'd also say we were never going to strengthen from last season - too much quality to replace at too high a cost.

This season it feels like the club is a Rorschach test. People see what they expect to see in it. The ones who are discontent with everything see nothing but failure. The positive ones see reasons to be positive. 

We could easily end the season 7th or 8th despite an unprecedented injury crisis and having to replace 5 first team stars with just £10m to spend. That's either an over-achievement or a failure to build on the previous season or both. We could end the season having scored fewer goals and managed fewer wins at home than any Championship season since relegation in 2009 apart from Woodgate. 

I feel like I have no way of judging how good a season this was. I suspect it will be end of next season before we can tell whether we built the foundations for success this year or wasted it.

On 3/17/2024 at 11:10 AM, Plastic Goat said:

Two more goals for Muniz yesterday. What the hell does our coaching staff do to mess up strikers?

Muniz has said he had to change his attitude after his loan spell here, well done to the lad.

 

9 hours ago, Bruce said:

This season it feels like the club is a Rorschach test. People see what they expect to see in it. The ones who are discontent with everything see nothing but failure. The positive ones see reasons to be positive. 

We could easily end the season 7th or 8th despite an unprecedented injury crisis and having to replace 5 first team stars with just £10m to spend. That's either an over-achievement or a failure to build on the previous season or both. We could end the season having scored fewer goals and managed fewer wins at home than any Championship season since relegation in 2009 apart from Woodgate. 

I feel like I have no way of judging how good a season this was. I suspect it will be end of next season before we can tell whether we built the foundations for success this year or wasted it.

And only 3 points behind Coventry who spent £40m