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10 minutes ago, pikerman said:

Last night was disappointing and as Anglia Red said it exposed our level of physicality. On a positive note I would still rather watch Carrick try to play football than anything Pulis or Warnock produced 

Me too. Doesn't make it any less disappointing that we aren't competing at the top table when we should be though.

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4 minutes ago, Humpty said:

Me too. Doesn't make it any less disappointing that we aren't competing at the top table when we should be though.

I honestly don't think we're good enough to be competing for the top 3.

I hoped at the start of the season that Leeds would fall apart, Burnley would limp along under Parker and Wilder would be too busy raging against sandwiches to properly compete. In that case I felt like we had a shot at the top 2. Hasn't worked out that way. All those three look like pulling away and although one might collapse, I don't see 2 out of 3 of them collapsing.

Right now we're in a pack with Blackburn, WBA, Sunderland, & Norwich as the best of the rest. Norwich are being carried by Sainz and it's hard to tell whether Sunderland were simply having a golden patch with their youngsters. Eustace has proved himself a good, well-organised coach and is getting Blackburn to overperform. Corberan is still largely working with a grab bag of free transfers at WBA: bit like Mowbray with us. Our results against these are played 4, won 1, draw 1, lost 2 which really isn't good enough but still time to turn that around. 

Beginning of the season I thought Coventry & Luton would be up there and maybe Stoke might finally come good. Coventry might still go on a run. Hard to see Luton turning it around. Stoke are being Stoke. Teams like Millwall and Watford might hang around and challenge for 6th.

Realistically, we're challenging for 4th-6th with an outside chance at 3rd. That's probably pretty consistent with the quality of our squad. If we don't make the playoffs then I reckon that is underperformance but making the top 2 required everything to go our way from day 1 and it hasn't.

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22 minutes ago, Bruce said:

I honestly don't think we're good enough to be competing for the top 3.

I hoped at the start of the season that Leeds would fall apart, Burnley would limp along under Parker and Wilder would be too busy raging against sandwiches to properly compete. In that case I felt like we had a shot at the top 2. Hasn't worked out that way. All those three look like pulling away and although one might collapse, I don't see 2 out of 3 of them collapsing.

Right now we're in a pack with Blackburn, WBA, Sunderland, & Norwich as the best of the rest. Norwich are being carried by Sainz and it's hard to tell whether Sunderland were simply having a golden patch with their youngsters. Eustace has proved himself a good, well-organised coach and is getting Blackburn to overperform. Corberan is still largely working with a grab bag of free transfers at WBA: bit like Mowbray with us. Our results against these are played 4, won 1, draw 1, lost 2 which really isn't good enough but still time to turn that around. 

Beginning of the season I thought Coventry & Luton would be up there and maybe Stoke might finally come good. Coventry might still go on a run. Hard to see Luton turning it around. Stoke are being Stoke. Teams like Millwall and Watford might hang around and challenge for 6th.

Realistically, we're challenging for 4th-6th with an outside chance at 3rd. That's probably pretty consistent with the quality of our squad. If we don't make the playoffs then I reckon that is underperformance but making the top 2 required everything to go our way from day 1 and it hasn't.

Bookies didn't see it that way at the start of the season. They had us joint 2nd favorites and I tend to agree with them in this instance.

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40 minutes ago, Humpty said:

Bookies didn't see it that way at the start of the season. They had us joint 2nd favorites and I tend to agree with them in this instance.

https://insights.betfred.com/football/championship-promotion-odds-24-25-season/

Joint 3rd favourites, with pretty much nothing between us, sheff utd, Coventry, Luton and West brom. That all those teams had the same odds shows that they were guessing.

Betting follows the money anyway, not the actual chances. 

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2 hours ago, AnglianRed said:

What game were you watching?

We were completely outclassed by Leeds for 75% of the game. They were literally in a different league for most of the match and Boro simply couldn't live with them. There is clearly a big gap in quality, both man for man and how effectively they play as a team. We got what we deserved.

The first half they were much better and controlled the game. In the second half we controlled the game and didn’t let Leeds play their game in their ground, not many teams will do that. If we’d have got the final pass right on two or three occasions we could have took the lead. Doak also had a great chance to put us 2-1 up. In the end we came unstuck and they deserved their goals and the win but on another night we could have won that game.

2 teams came away with 3 points from Elland Road last season and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is similar this season. Losing away at Leeds is no shame, especially in the manor we went about it. 

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Listened to Carrick's post match interview. Most of what he had to say was arrogant piffle. I think he is now starting to really annoy a large section of the fans. Simply not good enough last night, and his in game management is non existent. If we don't win the next home game I think he's in for a shock.

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2 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

Listened to Carrick's post match interview. Most of what he had to say was arrogant piffle. I think he is now starting to really annoy a large section of the fans. Simply not good enough last night, and his in game management is non existent. If we don't win the next home game I think he's in for a shock.

You should start a thread about it.

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4 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

Listened to Carrick's post match interview. Most of what he had to say was arrogant piffle. I think he is now starting to really annoy a large section of the fans. Simply not good enough last night, and his in game management is non existent. If we don't win the next home game I think he's in for a shock.

Well at least we now know that you're overweight.

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24 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

Listened to Carrick's post match interview. Most of what he had to say was arrogant piffle. I think he is now starting to really annoy a large section of the fans. Simply not good enough last night, and his in game management is non existent. If we don't win the next home game I think he's in for a shock.

what's the shock he is going to get?

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“It's very easy to jump on something when you give the ball away and use that as the key mistake, but you have to take it both ways. We want to avoid that, of course, but we were playing with such belief in the second half and we just got caught with two giveaways and it can catch you out. I can't fault the boys for trying to do the right things.”

Have to say I am fed up with the lack of standards from Carrick.

We had 3 goal kicks in a row where we gave possession away before James scored the 2nd last night - and he literally had an exact carbon copy of that chance from the 2nd one. You absolutely CAN fault the boys for trying to "do the right thing" and conceding from it after such an obvious warning - you can hardly say you were "caught out" when it happens constantly! This tactical inflexibility in the game from everybody deciding that they can coach average players to play like prime Pep teams is ridiculous.

I have no issue with playing it out of the back but for *** sake, if you've lost it twice in a row just mix it up and go long (one time)! But Carrick seemingly hasn't a care in the world, win some you lose him, oh well, look at me aren't I always so calm and cool and collected, and that attitude is rubbing off on this pack of losers where some individuals have the freedom to drop an absolute 2/10 clanger of a performance whenever they feel like it and not worry about there being any consequences.

Barlaser and Hackney should have been made to walk home last night and I would genuinely play one of the kids + Howson next week just to send a message that the half-hearted display they both gave was unacceptable.

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2 minutes ago, Smokedsalmon said:

“It's very easy to jump on something when you give the ball away and use that as the key mistake, but you have to take it both ways. We want to avoid that, of course, but we were playing with such belief in the second half and we just got caught with two giveaways and it can catch you out. I can't fault the boys for trying to do the right things.”

Have to say I am fed up with the lack of standards from Carrick.

We had 3 goal kicks in a row where we gave possession away before James scored the 2nd last night - and he literally had an exact carbon copy of that chance from the 2nd one. You absolutely CAN fault the boys for trying to "do the right thing" and conceding from it after such an obvious warning - you can hardly say you were "caught out" when it happens constantly! This tactical inflexibility in the game from everybody deciding that they can coach average players to play like prime Pep teams is ridiculous.

I have no issue with playing it out of the back but for *** sake, if you've lost it twice in a row just mix it up and go long (one time)! But Carrick seemingly hasn't a care in the world, win some you lose him, oh well, look at me aren't I always so calm and cool and collected, and that attitude is rubbing off on this pack of losers where some individuals have the freedom to drop an absolute 2/10 clanger of a performance whenever they feel like it and not worry about there being any consequences.

Barlaser and Hackney should have been made to walk home last night and I would genuinely play one of the kids + Howson next week just to send a message that the half-hearted display they both gave was unacceptable.

When he says he can’t fault them, it’s his way of taking responsibility for it because it’s how he’s asking them to play - which is fair enough. If he’s telling them to stick to their principles and to not let their heads drop even if they get caught out then you can’t really blame the players for not changing things up and going long.

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