Leeds United V Boro 3-1 (Wober OG)

[Nobby Barnes 824 1.4k]

Come on guys we were AWAY to probably the best side in the league with vastly more resources than us. 

What do you expect ? We don't have parachute payments. We are playing some decent stuff and scoring goals.

We need 3 or 4 local lads to come though together, that's our best chance.

Carrick's done well with the resources at his disposal. OR We could go back to Neil, he's the magician that might get us promoted with this squad but it won't be by playing pretty football...

Some posters need a reality check !

Thanks 👍 

[Smokedsalmon 1,347 850]

3 minutes ago, JTG said:

When he says he can’t fault them, it’s his way of taking responsibility for it because it’s how he’s asking them to play - which is fair enough. If he’s telling them to stick to their principles and to not let their heads drop even if they get caught out then you can’t really blame the players for not changing things up and going long.

But this is exactly what I mean.

Every player in that team knows they can mess it up and they won't be held accountable for it. The coach is telling them to play in a manner that demonstrably doesn't always work and they don't have either a) the leadership or b) the brains to change it.

I'm a worse-than-amateur footballer but if I'm Dieng after that 2nd goal kick where I've gotten away with murder I am launching that over their back line next time and the manager can feel free to shout at me if he wants. It's almost negligent how unable they are to think on their feet.

A sign of the times with modern football I suppose. The game is breeding these "system" players who haven't got the ability to think outside the box. It's why Cole Palmer is (in my opinion) the best player in the Premier League right now - kid just does what works in the moment. Looks like he's having fun. This lot look terrified to break "the system" and oppose Carrick's "principles" even when 40,000 punters can see the writing on the wall.

[Plastic Goat 744 1.1k]

28 minutes ago, Blanco said:

There will be the head of a plastic goat under his bedsheets 😆

Nice one.

 

[Humpty 5,183 10.6k]

1 hour ago, Neverbefore said:

https://insights.betfred.com/football/championship-promotion-odds-24-25-season/

Joint 3rd favourites, with pretty much nothing between us, sheff utd, Coventry, Luton and West brom. That all those teams had the same odds shows that they were guessing.

Betting follows the money anyway, not the actual chances. 

Thanks. So very much in the reckoning for the automatic promotion places. 

We haven't been close all season and that's very much unlikely to change. It's another metric that demonstrates how much we've  underachieved.

[smogsterking the Inspirati 3,372 8.6k]

6 of the top 8 teams currently we have played away but still have to play at home. You could argue we have played the majority of our toughest fixtures of the season already now. If we can finally sort out our inconsistent home form...

[Plastic Goat 744 1.1k]

A bad result on Saturday and we are out of the playoff places. Carrick is underperforming IMO and the excuses are running out.

[Robin Johnson 1,626 2.4k]

2 hours ago, Nobby Barnes said:

Come on guys we were AWAY to probably the best side in the league with vastly more resources than us. 

What do you expect ? We don't have parachute payments. We are playing some decent stuff and scoring goals.

We need 3 or 4 local lads to come though together, that's our best chance.

Carrick's done well with the resources at his disposal. OR We could go back to Neil, he's the magician that might get us promoted with this squad but it won't be by playing pretty football...

Some posters need a reality check !

Thanks 👍 

Nobby good to see you've maintained your jaundiced view. I don't believe anyone questions the quality of Leeds. What IS up for debate was the poor application we gave for the majority of the game. Overrun in midfield, outpaced all over the park, lacking in quality of passing. We were very much the architects of our own downfall.

That was the reality and there's no masking this - there really isn't.

[Rob 6,489 9.9k]

12 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

A bad result on Saturday and we are out of the playoff places. Carrick is underperforming IMO and the excuses are running out.

his jobs only under threat in your head 

[Plastic Goat 744 1.1k]

8 minutes ago, Rob said:

his jobs only under threat in your head 

Don't kid yourself. Surely Gibson expects playoffs as a minimum. If Carrick doesn't deliver this then he's on his bike. If Gibson doesn't expect playoffs as a minimum then he needs to go as well. I suspect he's getting increasingly frustrated by the team's inconsistent performance. Carrick doesn't do himself any favours by his bland and rather arrogant utterances, at his so called press conferences. Perhaps this arrogant behaviour is what we have come to expect of an ex Man.Utd player. By the way we could be out of the top six after tonight's results.

[Nobby Barnes 824 1.4k]

47 minutes ago, Robin Johnson said:

Nobby good to see you've maintained your jaundiced view. I don't believe anyone questions the quality of Leeds. What IS up for debate was the poor application we gave for the majority of the game. Overrun in midfield, outpaced all over the park, lacking in quality of passing. We were very much the architects of our own downfall.

That was the reality and there's no masking this - there really isn't.

I think this was a game where we really mist the bite of Morris in midfield.

Barlaser and Hackney were a bit lightweight as a pear Robin .

PS Do you hold a torch for Selina Scott by any chance ?

Edited December 11, 2024 by Nobby Barnes

[nunthorpered 2,366 3k]

15 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

Don't kid yourself. Surely Gibson expects playoffs as a minimum. If Carrick doesn't deliver this then he's on his bike. If Gibson doesn't expect playoffs as a minimum then he needs to go as well. I suspect he's getting increasingly frustrated by the team's inconsistent performance. Carrick doesn't do himself any favours by his bland and rather arrogant utterances, at his so called press conferences. Perhaps this arrogant behaviour is what we have come to expect of an ex Man.Utd player. By the way we could be out of the top six after tonight's results.

Could easily see Carrick here next season tbh. Key is keeping as many of these players together as possible, and relatively injury free for as long as possible. There's no guarantee of top 2 or playoffs in any season as this league is mental. You will lose a couple but we need these lads to show us another season for me. Quite a few will disagree with me about it, but id give him another one before making any decision. 

[Plastic Goat 744 1.1k]

7 minutes ago, nunthorpered said:

Could easily see Carrick here next season tbh. Key is keeping as many of these players together as possible, and relatively injury free for as long as possible. There's no guarantee of top 2 or playoffs in any season as this league is mental. You will lose a couple but we need these lads to show us another season for me. Quite a few will disagree with me about it, but id give him another one before making any decision. 

If we fail to make the playoffs ( and it's a distinct possibility) ,Gibson will sack Carrick or Carrick will walk. Gibson has to think about selling his vastly inflated season tickets and putting bums on seats. These days you don't give a manager more than three seasons if he has failed.

[nunthorpered 2,366 3k]

6 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

If we fail to make the playoffs ( and it's a distinct possibility) ,Gibson will sack Carrick or Carrick will walk. Gibson has to think about selling his vastly inflated season tickets and putting bums on seats. These days you don't give a manager more than three seasons if he has failed.

Depends on how sour it might get i guess IF, we take a turn for the worse. 

[Roborov 45 19]

I don't often feel the need to post and happy to just loiter but I have to say I'm surprised by the amount of negativity on here with regard to the Leeds game. I've been on the Leeds forum and they are a lot more complimentary than on here which blags my head (pinched that phrase from my son ha ha). With it being a Boro forum then obviously we talk about them but there are two teams playing and you can't disregard the oppostion. It's clear Leeds are a cut above probably everyone else in this division including Burnley and Sheff Utd. They have a hell of a home form. They have won the last eight at home, scored twenty and only conceeded two. I think we did or best to keep them honest for 90 mins and I for one love the way we play now and are actually excited as each game comes around. To finish my son looked up the squad values of each team last night, Boro's squad was valued at 27m Euros and Leeds was 173m Euros, that's probably a good point for me to sign off for another year!

[Robin Johnson 1,626 2.4k]

1 hour ago, Nobby Barnes said:

I think this was a game where we really mist the bite of Morris in midfield.

Barlaser and Hackney were a bit lightweight as a pear Robin .

PS Do you hold a torch for Selina Scott by any chance ?

No but she was head girl at the school I attended in Guisborough - and her brother is called Robin!!