4 minutes ago, AllBoro10 said:

Echo going in on Carrick. FairPlay. Agree with every word.

 

Hopefully he will review, reassess and plan accordingly then we all win. Assuming his review involves an admission of where we can improve, what has and what hasn't been working and addresses it. I'm not being facetious when I say that as for some reason like AK some Football Managers just stubbornly refuse to deviate.

To quote the gentleman that serviced our fire extinguishers at Lackenby, Mr W. Mannion, good managers find a  system that suits their players before building a team to suit the system they want to play. The simpler the system, the better the results. The best managers change things that don't work, even during a game and players appreciate that. 

The Echo could well be voicing the thoughts of Gibson and Bauser. In fact they may have initiated the article. This article increases the pressure on Carrick to deliver. He's been backed to the hilt and this is a relatively weak League. I'm afraid it's the writing on the wall for MC. He only has himself to blame. We can't go on talking about individual errors. Boro are now being lampooned for their clownish defending.

This is his third season now and the same ridiculous defensive frailty occurs time after time. Watching this team you are just waiting for some absurd piece of defending to gift the opposition a goal. It happens time after time. It's simply not good enough. I'm surprised it's taken this long for such an article to be written 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

The Echo could well be voicing the thoughts of Gibson and Bauser. In fact they may have initiated the article. This article increases the pressure on Carrick to deliver. He's been backed to the hilt and this is a relatively weak League. I'm afraid it's the writing on the wall for MC. He only has himself to blame. We can't go on talking about individual errors. Boro are now being lampooned for their clownish defending.

This is his third season now and the same ridiculous defensive frailty occurs time after time. Watching this team you are just waiting for some absurd piece of defending to gift the opposition a goal. It happens time after time. It's simply not good enough. I'm surprised it's taken this long for such an article to be written 

 

 

I kinda want him to go just to see what you'd post about then.

 

Every single comment the exact same.

I don't want to see him go, but I think he needs help. Recruiting his brother as 'danksy's' replacement didn't strike me as a good appoitment at the time. Plus we must question how effective "woody' is being - there are some basic defending skills lacking in the team - row z is definately a valid option.

I feel like people are looking at replacing Carrick in the wrong way.

Previously when we replaced our managers it was always a huge lurch towards a different style of play. It often meant the manager coming in and buying their own players, replacing those they didn't like. It was tumultuous and resulted in our stagnating and wasting money. It was clearly done off the cuff (Pulis happens to be available, Warnock happens to be available, etc.).

This time, we would be replacing Carrick with someone who wanted to coach in a broadly similar way (control possession, play from the back, etc.) but who might actually be able to, you know, set up a defence. We might even get good at pressing or set pieces or some of the other basic elements of football that we completely lack. I guarantee Scott has a shortlist of managers ready to go who would jump at the chance to come here and build on what is in place.

It's a matter of time. Carrick will never take us up (if he couldn't do it in the play-offs vs Coventry/Luton with the league's best player, it's never going to happen). Just feels like we're wasting time plodding along waiting for his inspirational "yeah, y'know, there's always things we can improve" to actually bear fruit. We've gone backwards. He'll be gone by summer.

 

41 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

I kinda want him to go just to see what you'd post about then.

 

Every single comment the exact same.

Well you may well get your wish. I think sooner than later.

2 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

Well you may well get your wish. I think sooner than later.

Think you'd have to retire at that point.

10 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

Well you may well get your wish. I think sooner than later.

If you think Carrick goes before the end of the season, you don't have any actual clue.

4 hours ago, Old Codger said:

To quote the gentleman that serviced our fire extinguishers at Lackenby, Mr W. Mannion, good managers find a  system that suits their players before building a team to suit the system they want to play. The simpler the system, the better the results. The best managers change things that don't work, even during a game and players appreciate that. 

I mean, there are some mental things posted on here, but when you think about that above, just crazy really 😞

2 hours ago, Smokedsalmon said:

I feel like people are looking at replacing Carrick in the wrong way.

Previously when we replaced our managers it was always a huge lurch towards a different style of play. It often meant the manager coming in and buying their own players, replacing those they didn't like. It was tumultuous and resulted in our stagnating and wasting money. It was clearly done off the cuff (Pulis happens to be available, Warnock happens to be available, etc.).

This time, we would be replacing Carrick with someone who wanted to coach in a broadly similar way (control possession, play from the back, etc.) but who might actually be able to, you know, set up a defence. We might even get good at pressing or set pieces or some of the other basic elements of football that we completely lack. I guarantee Scott has a shortlist of managers ready to go who would jump at the chance to come here and build on what is in place.

It's a matter of time. Carrick will never take us up (if he couldn't do it in the play-offs vs Coventry/Luton with the league's best player, it's never going to happen). Just feels like we're wasting time plodding along waiting for his inspirational "yeah, y'know, there's always things we can improve" to actually bear fruit. We've gone backwards. He'll be gone by summer.

 

Well knowing Gibsson only approches coaches who is unemployed it sort of narrows the playing field

Right now its Edwards I guess. If we gonna go with a simular mindset. Even though his teams are not as attack minded as Carricks. His failure with Luton this season is not realy doing him any favours either....

7 hours ago, AllBoro10 said:

Echo going in on Carrick. FairPlay. Agree with every word.

 

Interesting article. Seems quite free of criticism of Scott and the job that was done in the summer that has necessitated the January rebuild. 

At the moment I would say they are vastly over egging their window.

Fridge is status quo on the squad.

Whittaker replaces Jones and has questions hanging over him.  

Giles is just one of a long list of signings we have made to replace Giles. When Giles was here last time we had no fee agreed in place for him so when he played well he drew the attention of other clubs. This time we also have no agreement in place. So if he plays well and goes elsewhere it’s history repeating itself.

7 hours ago, Neverbefore said:

I kinda want him to go just to see what you'd post about then.

 

Every single comment the exact same.

He'd spend the next three years calling for the head of Carrick's replacement

13 hours ago, gordy1000 said:

I don't want to see him go, but I think he needs help. Recruiting his brother as 'danksy's' replacement didn't strike me as a good appoitment at the time. Plus we must question how effective "woody' is being - there are some basic defending skills lacking in the team - row z is definately a valid option.

A lot of blame is laid at Woodgates door despite him not being in charge. I think it's more likely that it's a managerial tactic from Carrick, Never concede possession by booting it long regardless of the situation. Always try to remain in possession. There are huge risks bound to that when you haven't got world class players with great technique and in a league with a high tempo and press. You'll get stupidites like Morris on Saturday and Fry doing a backheel instead of just booting it out. It looks like a hill Carrick is prepared to die on, and as I don't see the same players suddenly improving in that aspect I think he will eventually go, because he is not taking us up. It won't be before summer unless the team completely collapses, which we won't, but I can see him go in the summer if it's just more of the same for the remainder of the season. Fingers crossed that things improve though.

Weirdly, I think Carrick would perform better at a Premier League club than a Championship one. His Man City-lite sweeper-keeper tactics would find a home at a West Ham-style club, but it's just not working in the thud and blunder of the Championship.

I can't remember a time when our squad has underperformed this badly. We've got so much talent, but it's not being harnessed to anywhere near its full potential. The likes of Mogga and Warnock were operating with lower league imports, freebies and over-the-hill players, whereas Carrick has the sort of squad any Championship manager would want - youthful, talented, tipped for greater things.

I agree with @Smokedsalmonthat the Chuba season was our golden chance to go up, but we shat the bed three times against Coventry. Even if we scrape top six this season, does anyone on here honestly believe we'd have the defensive organisation to withstand the inevitable late onslaught if we were winning in the second leg?

If Carrick stays, we need a solid organisational coach to come in NOW. I've referenced the Robson and Venables situation before, as have others. We're desperate for that calm, experienced voice to instil some confidence into our players, who at times look scared of their own shadows. The talent is there - you can't fake the way we played against Leeds in the cup or those three high-scoring games. But the man management is not.

Carrick (G) for Danks looks like a dreadful downgrade, and even Danks wasn't able to inculcate the ability to take a decent corner or free kick. We've spunked away so many set piece opportunities in the last few seasons, it would make me weep if someone tallied them all up.

No wonder the Echo are going in. I read that article and immediately thought they've been given the green light to do so from high up in the club. To quote a line from Lock Stock, alarm bells are ringing.

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