Rob 5,978 9.2k Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 19 hours ago, LinoJo3 said: The thing about Carrick is sometimes I get the impression he’s using us as an experiment, trying to build a system to wow everyone rather than make a way to get us promoted. The more you analyse it the more you see how great the system is…. When it works. It’s champions league level stuff, we’ve got the midfield box going on, full backs inverting, center backs splitting, CM going to cb. Make no mistake the amount of work that has probably gone into it will be insane. There’s a reason everytime we get beat the opposition manager seems to come out and yap on about how they made special changes to their set up against us. The flip side of this is can the players do it properly? Are they focused to much on playing the system rather than a football match? If we can see the failings he can see the failings. Maybe he is adapting it a bit, our form hasn’t been that bad I think we’ve lost only twice in 2 or 3 months and can Carrick really be held accountable for that ridiculous attempt at a clearance from Fry, that Jones back pass vs Derby, the Dieng + Clarke disaster? Bizarre individual errors have probably cost us double figure points. yeah I can't help but think if he was managing a top team with players who could consistently do what is asked of them well he could do well. if he wasn't managing us I would of liked to see him get the england job, but then he might get the same things happen as england seem like the most boro international team there is lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce 2,379 2k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Probably a knee-jerk response to post after yet another abject home defeat but it is getting increasingly hard to keep the faith. Very hard to see any signs of improvement. So far under Carrick, once the Chuba train left the station we have had three predictable levels. Absolutely dire Mediocre (currently) Excellent. Most of the time we're mediocre, chuntering along at 1.5 points per game. Limited teams know how to defend against us and we neither defend nor attack with any sort of reliable quality. Once in a while we go on a streak where we implode defensively and look an utter shambles while still not carrying any sort of meaningful threat in attack. About as often as we're dire we are randomly brilliant. I go back to our best post-Chuba run when we won, I think, 6 in a row. That was because injuries and crisis forced Carrick into stepping away from his preference and playing Coburn up front with Crooks as a #10. It was a much more traditional 4-2-3-1 and seemed solid and effective. Much like most of the best teams in the league. I'm generally a glass-half-full person who looks for positives but right now it's hard to see how we will improve. Good odds on losing ELL and Doak—arguably the two best players in their positions in the league—and replacing them with lesser options. That will give Carrick an excuse for failing to make the playoffs but I just don't see what Carrick is going to do to improve us in any meaningful way. I mean, we'll probably go on a excellent 6-10 game run at some point but right now, it's hard to see us ending up in the play-offs without a major change in how we play. Even if we do make the playoffs, hard to see us doing anything other than going out with a whimper at the first step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borodane 7,375 27k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 He’s just not learning anything and he’s almost 2,5 years into his management. It’s worrying to say the least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoman1958 80 108 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 In a word, stagnation! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce 2,379 2k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 3 minutes ago, Borodane said: He’s just not learning anything and he’s almost 2,5 years into his management. It’s worrying to say the least. I think that's unfair. He has learned and adjusted but he appears to be determined to stand or fall by a set of tactics that I don't think work in the Championship. McKenna got a far more limited Ipswich team promoted by playing a simpler 4-2-3-1 with players having simpler jobs. He still played in a very attacking manner but he didn't expect Premier league ability from Championship players. I feel that Carrick is going the same way as Russell Martin. Not so much as he hasn't learned but he is convinced his method will work. This is a dangerous moment for him because for what seems like forever, our home matches have been dire and I feel that his credit with the general fanbase is close to empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borodane 7,375 27k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Bruce said: I think that's unfair. He has learned and adjusted but he appears to be determined to stand or fall by a set of tactics that I don't think work in the Championship. McKenna got a far more limited Ipswich team promoted by playing a simpler 4-2-3-1 with players having simpler jobs. He still played in a very attacking manner but he didn't expect Premier league ability from Championship players. I feel that Carrick is going the same way as Russell Martin. Not so much as he hasn't learned but he is convinced his method will work. This is a dangerous moment for him because for what seems like forever, our home matches have been dire and I feel that his credit with the general fanbase is close to empty. Do you honestly think he’s learned anything defensively? We’re awfully coached defensively to the point where we’re going backwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldManGravz 2,012 6k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Borodane said: Do you honestly think he’s learned anything defensively? We’re awfully coached defensively to the point where we’re going backwards. Are we? Genuinely do you think we are going backwards from where we were when he took over? I would say a good 80% of the goals we concede are long range screamers or are down to clear lapses in concentration by an individual player. We have the second least xGA and I can't remember where I saw it but I think we are also near the bottom for shots faced in the Championship too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borodane 7,375 27k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 7 minutes ago, OldManGravz said: Are we? Genuinely do you think we are going backwards from where we were when he took over? I would say a good 80% of the goals we concede are long range screamers or are down to clear lapses in concentration by an individual player. We have the second least xGA and I can't remember where I saw it but I think we are also near the bottom for shots faced in the Championship too. So likewise the amount of goals we’re scoring isn’t because he has made us a good attacking team but just because of the players? A team conceding the amount of goals we are is also down to management and coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammy legend 1,132 1.2k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Today was a disappointing day but I am still in the Carrick in camp. We are 5th, and can win the play offs. If we don't, next season should be his last unless we go up (or win a cup) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldManGravz 2,012 6k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 10 minutes ago, Borodane said: So likewise the amount of goals we’re scoring isn’t because he has made us a good attacking team but just because of the players? A team conceding the amount of goals we are is also down to management and coaching. I was trying to show that the defence hasn't regressed under him as you suggested. There are underlying stats which show that the system he is trying to implement works, and our defence should be one of the best in the league. It's not just down to Carrick and it's not just down to the players on the pitch. The coaching has reduced the xGA and the amount of shots we face overall, which is why a lot of the goals we concede are screamers or down to mistakes. However, our application of said system can be a little sloppy sometimes and, while it's down to Carrick to help the players improve that, some of the individual errors we have made this season are beyond belief and you can't train players for (Jones v Derby, for example). Likewise, Carrick's coaching and set up has us second top of the table for xG, meaning we are second best in the league for creating chances. It's down to the players to put them away, but it's down to Carrick to get them in the right headspace and give them the confidence to put them away. We had that brutal patch at the start of the season where we were struggling to score, which we seem to have got over (barring today but as I mentioned on the MDT, that could have been due to a lack of cohesion between the players on the pitch). Now, coaching and playing staff need to work together to reduce the individual errors at the other end 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcar Rioja 7,806 7.6k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 21 minutes ago, Hammy legend said: Today was a disappointing day but I am still in the Carrick in camp. We are 5th, and can win the play offs. If we don't, next season should be his last unless we go up (or win a cup) I don't think we can win the Play Offs because opposition Managers will either employ a low block or a high press and then Carrick is stuffed with no Plan "B". We saw what Robbins done with Coventry and we were toothless. Any side we come up against will know exactly what to do and what to expect from us even down to the timing of our Substitutions over the two legs. That strugglers can nullify us with limited squads regularly tells a story that tactically Carrickball is dead in the water in it's current guise. There is a lot of merit in some of our passages of play but the negatives just kill those positives. A more ruthless and pragmatic approach during phases of games instead of "Carry on Carricking" could elevate his squad to a much higher level than we are currently achieving. Our Home record is absolutely woeful and I see no signs of anything tightening up, improving or becoming wiser with experience. He has time to sort things out but I don't believe that he believes there actually is an issue to resolve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Goat 382 641 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 This is Carrick's team. They are his players and he has not improved the way they play, particularly defensively. He is looking more and more like he can't handle this job. I simply can't see what Woodgate or Carrick's brother bring to the party.Our home form is awful and we continue to make crass defensive errors. We are still in the playoff places,but only just. I have no confidence in this team. Maybe we will have an excellent window and bring in a core of players who will galvanised the team. I fear another disappointing season is unfolding with this squad fizzling out by March/April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoroSteve 1 1 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Paul Scholes said that the reason Carrick didn't win more England caps was because he didn't have the confidence/fight etc. to compete with the other quality midfielders we had at the time. And they say the team on the pitch is a reflection of the manager. And its so true. We're so easy to play against because we show very little aggression. Don't go to many matches now but do players ever get angry with each other? Don't think so. No real leaders. Hackney as captain says it all. Could become a decent player but has zero defensive awareness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAgainst 4,558 3.8k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) We lack aggression but also leadership. Nobody grabs a game or even a player by the metaphorical scruff of the neck. It's all so passive. Lessons are not being learned. Progress is not being made. People are clinging to the fact we're fifth like it's a gotcha, but it's more a reflection of how *** poor this Championship season has been. We'll probably never have an easier set of opponents in this league and we're *** it up constantly. Different competition today, same performance, same outcome, same frustrations, same hopes of change, same impending disappointment in the next game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcar Rioja 7,806 7.6k Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 13 minutes ago, RiseAgainst said: We lack aggression but also leadership. Nobody grabs a game or even a player by the metaphorical scruff of the neck. It's all so passive. Lessons are not being learned. Progress is not being made. People are clinging to the fact we're fifth like it's a gotcha, but it's more a reflection of how *** poor this Championship season has been. We'll probably never have an easier set of opponents in this league and we're *** it up constantly. Different competition today, same performance, same outcome, same frustrations, same hopes of change, same impending disappointment in the next game. Somewhere along the line we have morphed from Carrickball to Apathyball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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