1 minute ago, Tobermory said:

Be careful what you wish for.  Financial Fair Play or whatever it is called these days, appears to be punishing poorer clubs, and Gibson is putting in as much as he can every month.  Is there a guarantee that Gibson sold to Red Bull or whoever, that we would be better off.   I think not.  You can knock Gibson for many things, but not for backing the club. 

You do not know whether new owners would only bring disappointment rather than success. Is drifting around the Chimpship success,because that's all we have been doing season after season.

Gibson isn’t the problem anymore unless he is unknowingly still sticking his oar in. 
 

The current problem is 1)Carrick and 2) Scott.

I know everyone will cry about Scott needing to go aswell, but can you legitimately criticise Carrick for being a poor coach, not setting the team up properly etc and then say Scott has gave him bad players? Because if the team would be so amazing set up properly etc then Scott has done his job and Carrick is holding him back?

The best way to look at all of the games this season and take out an obvious ‘carrickisms’ from the results (the sheff wed game/preston gifts etc) and then look at where we maybe ‘should’ be in the table. IMO I think we could easily have 10 more points just cutting out basic errors and thus says to me the players are good enough to get us in the play offs. 

1 minute ago, LinoJo3 said:

Gibson isn’t the problem anymore unless he is unknowingly still sticking his oar in. 
 

The current problem is 1)Carrick and 2) Scott.

I know everyone will cry about Scott needing to go aswell, but can you legitimately criticise Carrick for being a poor coach, not setting the team up properly etc and then say Scott has gave him bad players? Because if the team would be so amazing set up properly etc then Scott has done his job and Carrick is holding him back?

The best way to look at all of the games this season and take out an obvious ‘carrickisms’ from the results (the sheff wed game/preston gifts etc) and then look at where we maybe ‘should’ be in the table. IMO I think we could easily have 10 more points just cutting out basic errors and thus says to me the players are good enough to get us in the play offs. 

That's the sheer frustration of it.These repeated stupid errors have probably cost more than 10 points.

1 hour ago, LinoJo3 said:

It’s clearly not working on the pitch is it but just from that you can’t suddenly go oh scrap it try something new. That’s literally the whole reason the club was in a mess in the first place, it’s literally why calls for Gibson out we’re getting louder and louder. 
 

Again this craving for instant perfection just won’t ever do anyone any favours. OH NO THE MANAGER NEVER WORKED OUT THAT MEANS ITS NEVER GOING TO WORKK NOOOO AHHHHHH PANICCCCC SCREAM SHOUT AND CRYYYY REBUILDS NOOOOO.

It happens, so you try again. This place is full of people crying over things that when you actually look are just normal in football. So we need 10 players in summer? So what? Plenty of teams sign that amount pretty regularly. We need a new manager? Again so what, plenty of teams replace managers in summer. 
 

I just don’t get these big melt downs just because something hasn’t gone perfectly to plan, like it’s literally life, it happens all the time in every area

So after the 3rd season it's panic? Give over. It ain't going to happen under him.

I imagine the club knows what is happening in the summer now. These performances aren't good enough. Scott said at the start of the season that promotion was the goal. I'm 99% sure he was sacking Carrick after Watford but Gibson said no. I don't think there will be much argument now.

And this time, Gibson has to go with Scott's choice. End of. He's got to trust the people he has put in place.

Nothing will happen now until the play offs are done of course. But maybe after next week or Sheff Wed perhaps. 

48 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

I get that managers these days are coached to spin their assessment of the game and never to really be negative. However I've always thought Carrick's comments to be somewhat vacuous.He really isn't a good communicator. Mind you I thought Wilder took the biscuit for utterly insane verbal garbage.Speaking in sentences seemed utterly beyond him.

I've said it before - Carrick says a lot without saying anything.

8 minutes ago, Robin Johnson said:

So after the 3rd season it's panic? Give over. It ain't going to happen under him.

I really have no idea what you’re talking about tbh, I’m talking about the calls to replace Scott and start jumping from rookie to dinosaur again.

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1 minute ago, LinoJo3 said:

I really have no idea what you’re talking about tbh, I’m talking about the calls to replace Scott and start jumping from rookie to dinosaur again.

Sorry will try and make my arguments clearer......

1 hour ago, LinoJo3 said:

It’s clearly not working on the pitch is it but just from that you can’t suddenly go oh scrap it try something new. That’s literally the whole reason the club was in a mess in the first place, it’s literally why calls for Gibson out we’re getting louder and louder. 
 

Again this craving for instant perfection just won’t ever do anyone any favours. OH NO THE MANAGER NEVER WORKED OUT THAT MEANS ITS NEVER GOING TO WORKK NOOOO AHHHHHH PANICCCCC SCREAM SHOUT AND CRYYYY REBUILDS NOOOOO.

It happens, so you try again. This place is full of people crying over things that when you actually look are just normal in football. So we need 10 players in summer? So what? Plenty of teams sign that amount pretty regularly. We need a new manager? Again so what, plenty of teams replace managers in summer. 
 

I just don’t get these big melt downs just because something hasn’t gone perfectly to plan, like it’s literally life, it happens all the time in every area

I do think we will naturally have a rebuild and the main issue is the manager but our recruitment has been pretty poor of late too. Iheanacho, Giles, Hamilton, Edmondson and Whittaker have all arguably been failures so far. Last season you had Engel, Silvera and arguably Glover who all were disappointing. We do seem to make the odd good signings too but there have been some expensive misses of late

Edited April 12, 20251 yr by SzilardNemethsCurtains

1 hour ago, Tobermory said:

Be careful what you wish for.  Financial Fair Play or whatever it is called these days, appears to be punishing poorer clubs, and Gibson is putting in as much as he can every month.  Is there a guarantee that Gibson sold to Red Bull or whoever, that we would be better off.   I think not.  You can knock Gibson for many things, but not for backing the club. 

It absolutely isn't punishing poorer clubs?

It's punishing clubs that are knowingly spending more than they're legitimately able to.

Which is not something that's happened with us.

Gibson has backed us very well financially, within the rules, issues on the pitch and with recruitment have cost us.

12 minutes ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said:

I do think we will naturally have a rebuild and the main issue is the manager but our recruitment has been pretty poor of late too. Iheanacho, Giles, Hamilton, Edmondson and Whittaker have all arguably been failures so far. Last season you had Engel, Silvera and arguably Glover who all were disappointing. We do seem to make the odd good signings too but there have been some expensive misses of late

Poor or not it’s still pretty obvious if we hadn’t thrown away/gifted teams points we’d be pretty solidly in the play offs right? 

2 hours ago, thatoldchestnut said:

I wouldnt miss Conway either. He is a total pansy.

I'm not trying to come across as woke or anything,  but what do you mean by "he is a total pansy"? 

Sounds like he believes that he should be more robust in his challenges rather than giving the impression that he is more intent on avoiding pain... just expressed in a way that is no longer deemed appropriate    

29 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

It absolutely isn't punishing poorer clubs?

It's punishing clubs that are knowingly spending more than they're legitimately able to.

Which is not something that's happened with us.

Gibson has backed us very well financially, within the rules, issues on the pitch and with recruitment have cost us.

Okay - let's say you're right and that it isn't punishing poorer clubs.  Why have the promoted teams been relegated in each of the last 2 seasons in the premier league?  It's much harder for teams to stay up now - and this is only my opinion - because they don't have the resources. 

6 minutes ago, Tobermory said:

Okay - let's say you're right and that it isn't punishing poorer clubs.  Why have the promoted teams been relegated in each of the last 2 seasons in the premier league?  It's much harder for teams to stay up now - and this is only my opinion - because they don't have the resources. 

Leicester and Southampton were both in the Premier League for a decade before their relegation last season.

They absolutely do have the resources.

They have just been mismanaged on and off the pitch.