Millwall v Boro 1-0

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51 minutes ago, LBP said:

Any apathy towards the team now is all just relative

Carrick's 1st season was so good that it makes this season look so bad

But this season is still light years ahead of Woodgate, Pulis and Wilder for me 

It's certainly not light years ahead of Wilder and Pulis. Unless we win every remaining game we will get less points than the Wilder season, as we did last season. We also this season and last got considerably less than both Pulis seasons. 

Even Carrick's best season is statistically worse than Pulis' best season. As much as Pulis was a hard watch he got 73 and 76 points which would comfortably get playoffs this year 

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19 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

Even today, something that was even unusual for him is that he brought Iheanacho on for Dijksteel, and rather than shift the shape at all (when it clearly wasn't working or putting nearly enough pressure on them) he just moved Morris to right-back, pulled back McGree into midfield and played Nacho in kind of his usual position. It wasn't your standard 'go for it' change, in terms of personnel on one side of it you look at it and think defender for attacker, but we just ended up with more players playing out of position in the same system. It was very, very odd. It's like he thought the goal would come but we just needed to change the people. Was pathetic, really was.

That was just utterly bizarre - and for me just reinforces the case for his tactical ineptitude.

Its almost on a King Canute level, thinking he can stop the tide coming in through sheer willpower.

If he actually knows the players' various strengths and weaknesses, it doesn't seem to show much.

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13 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

He's even said we were really good in the first half. We weren't. We were the better team but we weren't really good at all. We created one decent chance but otherwise fluffed our moments to create something. This guy thinks because the rest of the division is bang average that we can call this team really good when it just about looks the better team. That should have been the bare minimum today in that first half, they were not a great side but ultimately in that second half, the only determining factor is that they came out trying to win the game whilst we still hoped something would drop for us without putting much thought into it. Neil made changes to try and make something happen, he obviously got something out of them in the dressing room and Carrick probably just told them to keep at it because he thought we were 'really good' and just needed to keep at it.

I get that managers these days are coached to spin their assessment of the game and never to really be negative. However I've always thought Carrick's comments to be somewhat vacuous.He really isn't a good communicator. Mind you I thought Wilder took the biscuit for utterly insane verbal garbage.Speaking in sentences seemed utterly beyond him.

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2 hours ago, DevKWat said:

Let’s call the club what it is at the minute, a total shambles.

We have a ‘manager’ if you can call him that who has been here 3 years and still makes the same mistakes he has done since day 1. Failure after failure. 

We have an owner who sells our best player every January and doesn’t spend any money to replace them. 

We are going absolutely nowhere while the club is being handled like this, there’s not a single thing I like about our team and club right now. 

Disgrace. 

Be careful what you wish for.  Financial Fair Play or whatever it is called these days, appears to be punishing poorer clubs, and Gibson is putting in as much as he can every month.  Is there a guarantee that Gibson sold to Red Bull or whoever, that we would be better off.   I think not.  You can knock Gibson for many things, but not for backing the club. 

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1 minute ago, Tobermory said:

Be careful what you wish for.  Financial Fair Play or whatever it is called these days, appears to be punishing poorer clubs, and Gibson is putting in as much as he can every month.  Is there a guarantee that Gibson sold to Red Bull or whoever, that we would be better off.   I think not.  You can knock Gibson for many things, but not for backing the club. 

You do not know whether new owners would only bring disappointment rather than success. Is drifting around the Chimpship success,because that's all we have been doing season after season.

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Gibson isn’t the problem anymore unless he is unknowingly still sticking his oar in. 
 

The current problem is 1)Carrick and 2) Scott.

I know everyone will cry about Scott needing to go aswell, but can you legitimately criticise Carrick for being a poor coach, not setting the team up properly etc and then say Scott has gave him bad players? Because if the team would be so amazing set up properly etc then Scott has done his job and Carrick is holding him back?

The best way to look at all of the games this season and take out an obvious ‘carrickisms’ from the results (the sheff wed game/preston gifts etc) and then look at where we maybe ‘should’ be in the table. IMO I think we could easily have 10 more points just cutting out basic errors and thus says to me the players are good enough to get us in the play offs. 

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1 minute ago, LinoJo3 said:

Gibson isn’t the problem anymore unless he is unknowingly still sticking his oar in. 
 

The current problem is 1)Carrick and 2) Scott.

I know everyone will cry about Scott needing to go aswell, but can you legitimately criticise Carrick for being a poor coach, not setting the team up properly etc and then say Scott has gave him bad players? Because if the team would be so amazing set up properly etc then Scott has done his job and Carrick is holding him back?

The best way to look at all of the games this season and take out an obvious ‘carrickisms’ from the results (the sheff wed game/preston gifts etc) and then look at where we maybe ‘should’ be in the table. IMO I think we could easily have 10 more points just cutting out basic errors and thus says to me the players are good enough to get us in the play offs. 

That's the sheer frustration of it.These repeated stupid errors have probably cost more than 10 points.

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1 hour ago, LinoJo3 said:

It’s clearly not working on the pitch is it but just from that you can’t suddenly go oh scrap it try something new. That’s literally the whole reason the club was in a mess in the first place, it’s literally why calls for Gibson out we’re getting louder and louder. 
 

Again this craving for instant perfection just won’t ever do anyone any favours. OH NO THE MANAGER NEVER WORKED OUT THAT MEANS ITS NEVER GOING TO WORKK NOOOO AHHHHHH PANICCCCC SCREAM SHOUT AND CRYYYY REBUILDS NOOOOO.

It happens, so you try again. This place is full of people crying over things that when you actually look are just normal in football. So we need 10 players in summer? So what? Plenty of teams sign that amount pretty regularly. We need a new manager? Again so what, plenty of teams replace managers in summer. 
 

I just don’t get these big melt downs just because something hasn’t gone perfectly to plan, like it’s literally life, it happens all the time in every area

So after the 3rd season it's panic? Give over. It ain't going to happen under him.

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I imagine the club knows what is happening in the summer now. These performances aren't good enough. Scott said at the start of the season that promotion was the goal. I'm 99% sure he was sacking Carrick after Watford but Gibson said no. I don't think there will be much argument now.

And this time, Gibson has to go with Scott's choice. End of. He's got to trust the people he has put in place.

Nothing will happen now until the play offs are done of course. But maybe after next week or Sheff Wed perhaps. 

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48 minutes ago, Plastic Goat said:

I get that managers these days are coached to spin their assessment of the game and never to really be negative. However I've always thought Carrick's comments to be somewhat vacuous.He really isn't a good communicator. Mind you I thought Wilder took the biscuit for utterly insane verbal garbage.Speaking in sentences seemed utterly beyond him.

I've said it before - Carrick says a lot without saying anything.

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8 minutes ago, Robin Johnson said:

So after the 3rd season it's panic? Give over. It ain't going to happen under him.

I really have no idea what you’re talking about tbh, I’m talking about the calls to replace Scott and start jumping from rookie to dinosaur again.

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1 minute ago, LinoJo3 said:

I really have no idea what you’re talking about tbh, I’m talking about the calls to replace Scott and start jumping from rookie to dinosaur again.

Sorry will try and make my arguments clearer......

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1 hour ago, LinoJo3 said:

It’s clearly not working on the pitch is it but just from that you can’t suddenly go oh scrap it try something new. That’s literally the whole reason the club was in a mess in the first place, it’s literally why calls for Gibson out we’re getting louder and louder. 
 

Again this craving for instant perfection just won’t ever do anyone any favours. OH NO THE MANAGER NEVER WORKED OUT THAT MEANS ITS NEVER GOING TO WORKK NOOOO AHHHHHH PANICCCCC SCREAM SHOUT AND CRYYYY REBUILDS NOOOOO.

It happens, so you try again. This place is full of people crying over things that when you actually look are just normal in football. So we need 10 players in summer? So what? Plenty of teams sign that amount pretty regularly. We need a new manager? Again so what, plenty of teams replace managers in summer. 
 

I just don’t get these big melt downs just because something hasn’t gone perfectly to plan, like it’s literally life, it happens all the time in every area

I do think we will naturally have a rebuild and the main issue is the manager but our recruitment has been pretty poor of late too. Iheanacho, Giles, Hamilton, Edmondson and Whittaker have all arguably been failures so far. Last season you had Engel, Silvera and arguably Glover who all were disappointing. We do seem to make the odd good signings too but there have been some expensive misses of late

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1 hour ago, Tobermory said:

Be careful what you wish for.  Financial Fair Play or whatever it is called these days, appears to be punishing poorer clubs, and Gibson is putting in as much as he can every month.  Is there a guarantee that Gibson sold to Red Bull or whoever, that we would be better off.   I think not.  You can knock Gibson for many things, but not for backing the club. 

It absolutely isn't punishing poorer clubs?

It's punishing clubs that are knowingly spending more than they're legitimately able to.

Which is not something that's happened with us.

Gibson has backed us very well financially, within the rules, issues on the pitch and with recruitment have cost us.

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12 minutes ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said:

I do think we will naturally have a rebuild and the main issue is the manager but our recruitment has been pretty poor of late too. Iheanacho, Giles, Hamilton, Edmondson and Whittaker have all arguably been failures so far. Last season you had Engel, Silvera and arguably Glover who all were disappointing. We do seem to make the odd good signings too but there have been some expensive misses of late

Poor or not it’s still pretty obvious if we hadn’t thrown away/gifted teams points we’d be pretty solidly in the play offs right?