Millwall v Boro 1-0

[thatoldchestnut 916 2.1k]

1 hour ago, Changing Times said:

 

I think he's saying that he's soft as shi'ite.

Exactly what I meant, along with a few others. Even our players who are meant to play in positions where toughness is required don't actually have it. 

[thatoldchestnut 916 2.1k]

1 hour ago, Changing Times said:

 

I think he's saying that he's soft as shi'ite.

Exactly what I tried to say. The same can be said for a few of them in fairness.

[mackie2424 494 928]

Travers is a great shot stopper but I think he is one of the biggest reasons we are struggling. It is no coincidence our bad form started when Dieng and Brynn got injured, they allowed us to play out from the back. We’ve almost had to completely scrap that way of playing since Glover and Travers have been in the team. I would be very surprised if we actually wanted to sign him in the summer. I know this will probably be a very unpopular opinion as he is a great goalkeeper when it comes to the bread and butter but he isn’t a modern day keeper.

[thomas 612 2.7k]

1 hour ago, mackie2424 said:

Travers is a great shot stopper but I think he is one of the biggest reasons we are struggling. It is no coincidence our bad form started when Dieng and Brynn got injured, they allowed us to play out from the back. We’ve almost had to completely scrap that way of playing since Glover and Travers have been in the team. I would be very surprised if we actually wanted to sign him in the summer. I know this will probably be a very unpopular opinion as he is a great goalkeeper when it comes to the bread and butter but he isn’t a modern day keeper.

I think the defence as a whole with it absolutely collapsing we playing a lb and cm as 2 cbs is the reason we changed the way we play out from the back, albeit I know we have RVB back now and fry on the bench. If we are being honest with ourselves, we needed to replace Matt Clarke as we have 3 cbs with our injuries the way we wrack them up we were always in danger of this happening. Travers for me helps with the silly mistakes we use to make playing out from the back you wont catch him letting what happened to us at Preston happen lightly, but do get what you mean in turn that hinder us playing the Carrick way of ultimate football of always playing out from the back no matter the cost.

I think the question got to be asked are we keeping Carrick for next season as to whether we want Travers, if we are not keeping Carrick he might make ideal keeper for someone more balanced in approach to playing out from the back. In ideal scenario Brynn and Travers for me as top 2 keepers, get rid of Deing for whatever we can get as if you look at his stats in terms of shot stopping hes ranked 23rd in terms of shot stopping percentages out of first choice keepers in championship this season and potentially keep Glover as no3. 

[TeaCider24 18,313 23.4k]

1 hour ago, mackie2424 said:

Travers is a great shot stopper but I think he is one of the biggest reasons we are struggling. It is no coincidence our bad form started when Dieng and Brynn got injured, they allowed us to play out from the back. We’ve almost had to completely scrap that way of playing since Glover and Travers have been in the team. I would be very surprised if we actually wanted to sign him in the summer. I know this will probably be a very unpopular opinion as he is a great goalkeeper when it comes to the bread and butter but he isn’t a modern day keeper.

Don't agree with this whatsoever.

We've had plenty of opportunities in the opposition half in the last two games, the forwards have just completely wasted them.

Nothing about struggles in recent games is down to us not passing it around our own box as much.

Without Travers we'd not have won half the games we have won recently, he's made a lot of big saves.

Dieng was also dropped because of how poorly he was performing for us this season.

We've got a badly misfiring forward line, the one position we don't have a problem in right now is goalkeeper.

[mackie2424 494 928]

1 minute ago, TeaCider24 said:

Don't agree with this whatsoever.

We've had plenty of opportunities in the opposition half in the last two games, the forwards have just completely wasted them.

Nothing about struggles in recent games is down to us not passing it around our own box as much.

Without Travers we'd not have won half the games we have won recently, he's made a lot of big saves.

Dieng was also dropped because of how poorly he was performing for us this season.

We've got a badly misfiring forward line, the one position we don't have a problem in right now is goalkeeper.

We don’t keep the ball anywhere near as much though. It’s not even just he can’t play out from the back, his long balls are poor as well. My point being we were much more dominant in games with Dieng or Brynn in goal. I’m not saying it is the reason we aren’t winning games but I feel it is a big contributing factor.

I will also say though we would have lost games without his shot stopping, easily the best shot stopper we have had in a long while.

I personally much prefer the modern keeper, Steffen, Dieng and Brynn all showed me more of what we need to play the Carrick way.

[mackie2424 494 928]

8 minutes ago, thomas said:

I think the defence as a whole with it absolutely collapsing we playing a lb and cm as 2 cbs is the reason we changed the way we play out from the back, albeit I know we have RVB back now and fry on the bench. If we are being honest with ourselves, we needed to replace Matt Clarke as we have 3 cbs with our injuries the way we wrack them up we were always in danger of this happening. Travers for me helps with the silly mistakes we use to make playing out from the back you wont catch him letting what happened to us at Preston happen lightly, but do get what you mean in turn that hinder us playing the Carrick way of ultimate football of always playing out from the back no matter the cost.

I think the question got to be asked are we keeping Carrick for next season as to whether we want Travers, if we are not keeping Carrick he might make ideal keeper for someone more balanced in approach to playing out from the back. In ideal scenario Brynn and Travers for me as top 2 keepers, get rid of Deing for whatever we can get as if you look at his stats in terms of shot stopping hes ranked 23rd in terms of shot stopping percentages out of first choice keepers in championship this season and potentially keep Glover as no3. 

I think having Howson and Borges was even more of a reason to play out from the back because they are both comfortable on the ball. Travers is just poor with it at his feet.

[thomas 612 2.7k]

7 minutes ago, mackie2424 said:

I think having Howson and Borges was even more of a reason to play out from the back because they are both comfortable on the ball. Travers is just poor with it at his feet.

Id worry playing out from the back with Howson he isn't the quickest. This no slant on the way he's playing as he's done brilliantly since coming in considering he's meant to be a cm or ideally first choice now, but can you imagine you get a quick striker up against him closing him down and a miss placed pass to him that we know we are very capable of so he needs to race to get it before striker does.  

[mackie2424 494 928]

5 minutes ago, thomas said:

Id worry playing out from the back with Howson he isn't the quickest. This no slant on the way he's playing as he's done brilliantly since coming in considering he's meant to be a cm or ideally first choice now, but can you imagine you get a quick striker up against him closing him down and a miss placed pass to him that we know we are very capable of so he needs to race to get it before striker does.  

Yeah I get where you are coming from but he’d be no slower than say Fry or Clarke when we had him. He’s a lot more comfortable receiving a bad pass than they would be as well with him being a midfielder.

[Redcar Rioja 9,035 8.8k]

I suspect after Watford some harsh discussions were had internally and as one or two have opined on here, to the extent that maybe Scott wanted rid and SG gave Carrick one more chance. Self inflicted goals will have been high on those chats through "faffing" about at the back along with a few other things beginning with F. We then went on to beat a few bottom feeders, which in fairness we possibly wouldn't have before because a high press had us and Carrick collapsing every time "Rotherham style" (as oppose to "Gangnam style").

There are many serious problems tactically, organisationally, preparationally and a whole host of other words ending in "lly" under Carrick and Woodgate right now but Travers is the least of our problems. When he first arrived I wasn't impressed, and same went for Illing, but both have got up to speed and proven me wrong and delivered once the rusty bits had been wire brushed and oiled. The Players that we have individually are much better than what we are seeing collectively (maybe even Ilheanacho 🤷‍♂️) but our Coaching set up has totally lost where they were on the page, which is bad enough, and now they can't even find the book, let alone the page.

[Dan1234 1,257 3.2k]

We are quite turd aren't we. The most worrying thing for me is that for one reason or another none of our forward players look like a top 6 option. 

Azaz weak as ***, has far too many off games despite his solid numbers.

Conway loses every 50/50. Doesn't have any real stand out out ability other than being a half decent poacher.

Burgzorg is just poor.

Mcgree and Forss both made of glass and it's arguable they aren't top 6 standard anyways.

Whittaker hasn't looked great. I clench my buttocks every time he gets the ball in our half, another super weak player who loves to play a blind or sloppy pass.

Fatnacho, Doak, IJ, irrelevant as they won't be here.

I'm not as worried going into the summer about having to buy for any defensive positions. For championship level those type of players can generally be picked up for reasonably low fees. However looking like we need a whole new forward line is rough, and very expensive. Think we've blown a huge opportunity this season. 

[SzilardNemethsCurtains 4,033 4.5k]

12 hours ago, LinoJo3 said:

Poor or not it’s still pretty obvious if we hadn’t thrown away/gifted teams points we’d be pretty solidly in the play offs right? 

Couldn't every club say that? Also it could be argued we have thrown away or gifted points it's because the players or the tactics/selections weren't good enough

We are set to finish on around the same points/position 2 years in a row now

Edited April 13 by SzilardNemethsCurtains

[scotty189 1,289 2.8k]

38 minutes ago, Dan1234 said:

We are quite turd aren't we. The most worrying thing for me is that for one reason or another none of our forward players look like a top 6 option. 

Azaz weak as ***, has far too many off games despite his solid numbers.

Conway loses every 50/50. Doesn't have any real stand out out ability other than being a half decent poacher.

Burgzorg is just poor.

Mcgree and Forss both made of glass and it's arguable they aren't top 6 standard anyways.

Whittaker hasn't looked great. I clench my buttocks every time he gets the ball in our half, another super weak player who loves to play a blind or sloppy pass.

Fatnacho, Doak, IJ, irrelevant as they won't be here.

I'm not as worried going into the summer about having to buy for any defensive positions. For championship level those type of players can generally be picked up for reasonably low fees. However looking like we need a whole new forward line is rough, and very expensive. Think we've blown a huge opportunity this season. 

Probably looking like 10 players, keeper, RB, X2 CBS (rav to leave), X3 cm (hh and dB to leave), a number 10, LW, and a striker, and a new manager massive summer.

[Downsouth 8,153 39k]

Woke up this morning feeling miffed about yesterday, now that I have read through the posts I missed I can honestly say that I am super miffed.

Yes defensive errors have cost us but of late we do seem to have turned a corner to a degree.

The problem is our powder puff attacking play intent from not just midfield but our forward line players.

Simply there is a lack of desire and purpose and sadly pride in performances being shown far too often.

And the worst part I can not see that changing

[Redcar Rioja 9,035 8.8k]

It's 10 players as an absolute minimum. If we are to improve and progress than that would require even further surgery with the squad. I think it's more like 13 players plus an entirely new Coaching team without any "old boys" anywhere near the set up.

On a plus, a new Coach with the backing to bring in so many new players would be attractive in not being stuck with mediocrity, weak minded, injury prone and just plain not good enough players.