Rob 6,489 9.9k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, LBP said: Just empty words from the club that same as the ‘same transfer targets’ garbage I’ve noticed when Edwards has a full summer before a championship season he starts off having the ball more than the other team…and it doesn’t really work 54% odd at Watford and less than 1 xG and several games in the first 7/8 at Luton last season with similar possession stats before reverting to his mid-late 40s ball when it didn’t work I think that’s how Rob wants to play but the results don’t come with it unlike when he ‘presses as opposed to playing’ I can see us doing the same, trying to play rather than copy what worked at Luton, but Robs fresh off a sacking and Scott’s neck is on the line…if we try play and it doesn’t work I guarantee Rob will want us to emulate Luton and Scott will compromise in Jan to save his skin getting him presumably the more physical robust players that he’s had the most success with Basically if we don’t start well (Christmas) I predict it’ll all be out the window in favour of results for self preservation which is the thing that worries me most about the appointment Its not really empty words, it's the intent he's talking about in the interviews But they are not hard rules we are forced to follow, there is criteria where exceptions will always be made. But the intent is there to avoid certain situations with loans, paying fees for older players, buying players at top end of potential value (with minimal scope to improve the value) I don't think Scott's future is on the line on this appointment either, I think he has to become a problem behind the scenes with his relationship with people at the club and make some terrible decisions that impact us financially to get the heat people think if Edwards gets binned. I'm pretty sure this appointment like all them before is what gibbo wanted too, there no power struggle there Edited June 18 by Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humpty 5,183 10.6k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, TeaCider24 said: We changed style completely between Wilder and Carrick already. Both were brought in under Scott. We currently have one fit fullback and 2 out and maybe returning from long term injuries If we want to play with wingbacks, we'll sign them. We'll need to sign players regardless, so it won't matter. Scott never really had full control, rightly or wrongly, under Wilder so I’m not sure you can use that as an example. We’d also drafted and began pursuing our targets before Carrick was sacked, so it would be a surprise to me if we changed to wing backs now given the profile of players we’re anticipating to come in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changing Times 16,078 23.1k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 42 minutes ago, Tom said: I've not seen so many wet blankets since the last time I washed my sheets. People are getting themselves really worked up over - A formation that we might not even play - The fact that we haven't announced the appointment of a manager (which doesn't make any difference at all as long as the club and he know) - Some stuff people said a few years ago that hasn't exactly happened as they said (because humans can't predict the future) I know it's hot, but maybe just chill out a bit? If you're getting this angry about football, maybe take a step back and examine what's really going on 😂 Also we could sign Clarke back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changing Times 16,078 23.1k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, Humpty said: Scott never really had full control, rightly or wrongly, under Wilder so I’m not sure you can use that as an example. We’d also drafted and began pursuing our targets before Carrick was sacked, so it would be a surprise to me if we changed to wing backs now given the profile of players we’re anticipating to come in. Why do you keep saying Scott didn't have full control while Wilder was here? And was that any different to when Carrick was here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblind 2,392 7.2k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Changing Times said: Also we could sign Clarke back. BORO 25/26 GK - Jason Steele RCB - Aden Flint CB - Matt Clarke LCB - Ben Gibson RWB - Isaiah Jones LWB - Hayden Coulson CM - Nathaniel Chalobah CM - Johnny Howson RF - Mustapha Carayol CF - Jordan Hugill LF - Marvin Johnson #SmashTheLeague Edited June 18 by Snowblind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changing Times 16,078 23.1k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, Snowblind said: BORO 25/26 GK - Jason Steele RCB - Aden Flint CB - Matt Clarke LCB - Ben Gibson RWB - Isaiah Jones LWB - Hayden Coulson DM - Nathaniel Chalobah CM - Dan Barlaser CM - Johnny Howson RF - Mustapha Carayol CF - Jordan Hugill LF - Marvin Johnson #SmashTheLeague It might just work 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_mards 1,906 8.5k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, Changing Times said: Why do you keep saying Scott didn't have full control while Wilder was here? And was that any different to when Carrick was here? Scott has said last year sometime in a video interview that it was only when Carrick came in that he could operate in the way he wanted us to - and thought he was coming in for. Essentially it sounded like we appointed Wilder without truly understanding that he wanted far more control with transfers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changing Times 16,078 23.1k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Just now, p_mards said: Scott has said last year sometime in a video interview that it was only when Carrick came in that he could operate in the way he wanted us to - and thought he was coming in for. Essentially it sounded like we appointed Wilder without truly understanding that he wanted far more control with transfers. Ok so what happened in January then? Because all we've heard is that Carrick was responsible for the failure of that window, and that can't be true if Scott is operating the way he wants to. I thought Wilder made it pretty clear that he wasn't calling the shots as far as transfers were going tbh. It was obvious he wasn't impressed with some of the players we brought in, like Hoppe and Forss, who he dismissed as projects. He wanted an experienced striker back then, and instead he got Hoppe, Forss, and Muniz on loan. The only reason that wasn't a complete disaster is because Akpom, who the club tried and failed to shift, thankfully had that fantastic season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 6,489 9.9k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I don't think wilder played along with the dof system as he probs agreed before he got the job. I think he was clashing with him specially during that summer after he disgraced himself over the Burnley job. Think he thought we needed him more than he needed us The way wilder handled the summer business and talked about deals that clearly were not happening like he was saying and way he dismissed players we signed before even using them was probs some of the nails in his coffin before he screwed our form up while he was sulking and I think he lost the dressing room in April , all the goodwill with fans and performances he got out the team seemed to go missing after that job come up. Had he been getting on and working with everyone I think he keeps his job through that bad start, but because he wasn't a good fit behind the scenes we took the chance to activate the relegation zone termination clauses we had agreed with him in his contract. I think that's why people had the impression with wilder and also warnock abit too not working properly in that dof setup is why people think his hands were partially tied compared to how he worked with Carrick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 6,489 9.9k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Changing Times said: Ok so what happened in January then? Because all we've heard is that Carrick was responsible for the failure of that window, and that can't be true if Scott is operating the way he wants to. I thought Wilder made it pretty clear that he wasn't calling the shots as far as transfers were going tbh. It was obvious he wasn't impressed with some of the players we brought in, like Hoppe and Forss, who he dismissed as projects. He wanted an experienced striker back then, and instead he got Hoppe, Forss, and Muniz on loan. The only reason that wasn't a complete disaster is because Akpom, who the club tried and failed to shift, thankfully had that fantastic season. I think they got Carrick who he wanted in Jan over who they were recommending for him because they were letting him who he asked for against their recommendations knowing it was his last chance saloon. Giles and Nacho were said to be signed at his request as he thought he could get us back to results again quicker with them than players outside the championship was what was reported. Its likely that's why they were mostly loans and not perms as in Jan he was pretty much done as our manager in terms of influencing the team to be consistently good Hes not blameless tho as he still went with it regardless if Carrick sold it to them or not. I think the club at that point just wanted to do what ever he needed us to do to give him the chance to turn it around. I think they didn't even want to sack him a few weeks ago, it's just they had no faith after the review and what ever he proposed to them (and/or refused what they proposed to carrick) his body language and things he said in the last few pressers showed me he was done. Which if he knew we tried to replace him In Jan with cooper (if we defs did) then I'd never expect who ever the manager was to turn things around or have his head in the game, especially when he seemed to be running on empty on ideas how to change things Edited June 18 by Rob 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle-Festa 478 295 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 27 minutes ago, Snowblind said: BORO 25/26 GK - Jason Steele RCB - Aden Flint CB - Matt Clarke LCB - Ben Gibson RWB - Isaiah Jones LWB - Hayden Coulson DM - Nathaniel Chalobah CM - Dan Barlaser CM - Johnny Howson RF - Mustapha Carayol CF - Jordan Hugill LF - Marvin Johnson #SmashTheLeague You have 12 players in your starting line up there. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblind 2,392 7.2k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, Uncle-Festa said: You have 12 players in your starting line up there. We'd need them with that line up to be fair... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changing Times 16,078 23.1k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, Rob said: I think they got Carrick who he wanted in Jan over who they were recommending for him because they were letting him who he asked for against their recommendations knowing it was his last chance saloon. Giles and Nacho were said to be signed at his request as he thought he could get us back to results again quicker with them than players outside the championship was what was reported. Its likely that's why they were mostly loans and not perms as in Jan he was pretty much done as our manager in terms of influencing the team to be consistently good Hes not blameless tho as he still went with it regardless if Carrick sold it to them or not. I think the club at that point just wanted to do what ever he needed us to do to give him the chance to turn it around. I think they didn't even want to sack him a few weeks ago, it's just they had no faith after the review and what ever he proposed to them (and/or refused what they proposed to carrick) his body language and things he said in the last few pressers showed me he was done. Which if he knew we tried to replace him In Jan with cooper (if we defs did) then I'd never expect who ever the manager was to turn things around or have his head in the game, especially when he seemed to be running on empty on ideas how to change things Reported by people who were getting their information from...? Either he's operating how he wants to or he isn't. It can't be both. It sounds a lot like when things are looking good then he wants the credit but when things turn sour he doesn't want to be associated with it. He certainly talks a good game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob 6,489 9.9k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Changing Times said: Reported by people who were getting their information from...? Either he's operating how he wants to or he isn't. It can't be both. It sounds a lot like when things are looking good then he wants the credit but when things turn sour he doesn't want to be associated with it. He certainly talks a good game. From the locals clearly getting it from the club, and repeated again in the results of the review also. Might of come from the man himself but it don't mean it wasn't true, espieally with Giles and Nacho. Its not like he has been back tracking on other flops to put it on Carrick so tend to think it's likely what MC wanted. Plenty he could of done the same over the season before but he didn't, as im guessing they recommended by his team and chosen by Carrick Things arnt always black and white, and has to be the same everytime because of a previous statement made by him that window has a huge amount of grey and does seem like they went a different way to the norm probally to try and make what Carrick wanted to do work and if it never then he can't say he wasn't given a long enough chance. He should of been gone In Jan, seemed like he was a dead man walking and think they were hoping he would hit some form after the players had gelled together but nothing really changed Fair to say he has a few stinkers on the books that his guys put forward too , but I tend to belive Carrick and Giles were what mc wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBP 4,251 6.9k Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Rob said: I don't think Scott's future is on the line on this appointment either, I think he has to become a problem behind the scenes with his relationship with people at the club and make some terrible decisions that impact us financially to get the heat people think if Edwards gets binned. I'm pretty sure this appointment like all them before is what gibbo wanted too, there no power struggle there If Edwards doesn’t deliver then Scott hasn’t delivered and we rightly should get rid Because Boro are new to the DoF model a lot of our fans struggle to comprehend that DoFs can be changed just like a manager We don’t have to give up the idea of buying low and selling high, Scott didn’t invent this. We’ll just find someone better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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