Who will be the next Boro manager? (It's Rob Edwards, it was always Rob Edwards)

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3 hours ago, LBP said:

Giles was a young talent killed by Rob Edwards!! 

Jesus, I didn’t even know. I’m not Sure how comfortable I am with a criminal as our manager. 
 

RIP. 

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2 minutes ago, RiseAgainst said:

Yes, Giles was superb in his first spell with us, and I'd love to see him regain his past form. However, after Carrick pushed for him to come back, he's been an abject failure. I was specifically referring to the January window just gone, in response to people questioning why Carrick's signings were the only ones being singled out for criticism.

Yeah that's fair. Carrick giving up on him so quickly after he came back was a surefire sign of a problem too. He must have thought it was gonna be easy to bring Giles back into a familiar environment and put an arm round his shoulder and that was all it was gonna take to get him back to his best. At no point did it ever feel like Carrick was getting to grips with the problems surrounding Giles. Maybe it says more about the player than Carrick but Carrick certainly seemed blind to it.

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1 hour ago, "KM" said:

No name, be funny if it’s Rob Edwards. 

Of course there's no name. Putting a name would be revealing him before he's revealed 😂

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2 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

Yeah that's fair. Carrick giving up on him so quickly after he came back was a surefire sign of a problem too. He must have thought it was gonna be easy to bring Giles back into a familiar environment and put an arm round his shoulder and that was all it was gonna take to get him back to his best. At no point did it ever feel like Carrick was getting to grips with the problems surrounding Giles. Maybe it says more about the player than Carrick but Carrick certainly seemed blind to it.

My theory has always been that Carrick was panicking at our form and maybe had a bit of a realisation/awakening that our squad was over loaded with players either injured or not ready/up to it. So in whatever recruitment meetings they’ve had he’s started pushing for more experienced players and there’s been some sort of fall out between them.

If you look at 2 of our main forwards brought in Burgzorg and Hamilton, one was miles off being ready and the other one bang average. He’s probably gone to Scott and said I need better and/or took matters into his own hands.

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Just now, LinoJo3 said:

My theory has always been that Carrick was panicking at our form and maybe had a bit of a realisation/awakening that our squad was over loaded with players either injured or not ready/up to it. So in whatever recruitment meetings they’ve had he’s started pushing for more experienced players and there’s been some sort of fall out between them.

If you look at 2 of our main forwards brought in Burgzorg and Hamilton, one was miles off being ready and the other one bang average. He’s probably gone to Scott and said I need better and/or took matters into his own hands.

I don't think he gave much of a care about any of that. He seemed to sanction letting Clarke go despite what was perceived as an already existing injury crisis and one that could get worse. Then it did and he had no bloody CBs. All he had to say on it at the time was we'd be fine and had others who could step in. He didn't look unfit as such when he came back but as far as the club were concerned, Howson wasn't particularly ready for playing that much football every week out of position, but he had to.

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Maybe it’s all done just waiting to get all back room sorted so we can announce the full structure so we look organised for once 

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1 hour ago, p_mards said:

I'd heard the bit about Hackney being rated highly behind the scenes a few times in our local media in the first few games of Hackney's emergence in 2022, but couldn't remember any source quoted directly. But given the way the local media works with the club there's a good chance it was from Scott/Jones reporting what the academy manager, Craig Liddle, was telling them it.

That isn't what I'm talking about mate, and I have no trouble at all believing that Liddle pushed for Hackney to get into the side.  I'm betting he's pushed for a number of youngsters to be given more opportunities.  I was specifically talking about Scott, at maybe an evening they had a while back, who said something along the lines of he knew Hackney was going to be a good player or he wanted him in the side while Wilder was here.  It seemed a bit of a random thing for him to say as if he was trying to get some credit for spotting Hackney in a sense.  I might be misremembering it though but I have a recollection of discussing it on here with someone, maybe Wilson.

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34 minutes ago, LinoJo3 said:

If you look at 2 of our main forwards brought in Burgzorg and Hamilton, one was miles off being ready and the other one bang average. He’s probably gone to Scott and said I need better and/or took matters into his own hands.

Which seems fair enough doesn't it?  

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4 hours ago, davidargile said:

strange how sheff united can part with a manager via mutual consent and then hire a new manager in space of a few days, yet it takes Middlesbrough nearly 3 weeks from sacking one manager to appointing a new manager which still has not been announced, bit of shambles, Even spurs changed their manager quicker than us, seems all the time it takes ages to do anything, the communication from the club can be an utterly terrible at times

We did the same to warnock, they clearly kept wilder there as a back up plan and lined up the replacement. They not rushed it in 2 or so days. 

I'd imagine him or his agent been in the ear if the owners for a while 

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4 hours ago, wilsoncgp said:

Giles was absolutely superb for us at the start and is still only 25. I don't know what's going on with the lad but for me, I think what he's lost is his momentum. He needs to properly settle. He went to Luton and Doughty was better. He went to Hull which is a basket case and never seemed to want to be there. And he came back to us in the short term but Carrick seemed to hope he'd have an immediate impact on the back of the worst 18 months of his career, he gave up on him 5 minutes in.

If someone can grab hold of that potential and put it on the right path, I believe there's a player there. I don't think this is the right place for him but in the right team with the right manager, that lad will show his worth again before his career is done, I'm sure of it.

I don't think Giles has lost loads as a player, mainly confidenxe, but we have lost the people who were getting their crosses and banging goals in most games and probs why he hasn't recreated that form since.

Feel like Carrick was harsh binning off after the own goal, never seemed to get a real chance again after that.

Now if u put him with akpom or someone who can do similar and u might see flashes of the old player again.

 

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2 hours ago, Changing Times said:

This is what I'm trying to get my head around mate:  Everything seems to be based on Scott saying stuff but what is said and what we do often aren't the same things.  So can we take what he says to the bank as it were or is he saying things for effect at times?  I don't know when Scott said the above, I'm guessing it was during one of the two summer transfer windows maybe or was it at the thing they did while back?  Do you not think it's a little bit odd that when things are looking good then Scott is finally able to do his job how he wants to but the minute, the very minute, things are going wrong then suddenly he isn't?  And we all find out bloody quickly that he apparently isn't cos it's in the media. p-mards used the term 'self preserve' in his excellent post.  Self-preservation is I guess what I'm seeing.  It's like the Hackney stuff as well.  People at the club (Scott) knew that he was a fine prospect and wanted Wilder to put him in the side.  But the only evidence we have for this is Scott saying so after Hackney was already in the team.  Doesn't that sound a bit like trying to take credit for something you had nowt to do with? 

But getting back to Scott and coaches buying into his system - that obviously wasn't the case in January for whatever reason so my point is that he clearly wasn't operating how he wanted to, whatever that actually is.  If a manager that does buy into the system then wants to opt out isn't that a cause for concern in itself?  A manager never truly buying in is one thing but one that does, but then doesn't, is something else isn't it?  Carrick is the one taking all of the flak for the 24/25 season, and a large part of the focus of that is a couple of signings we made in January as if that was the sole reason.  Did Carrick choose to sell Lath?  Were Hamilton, Burgzorg, Borges, Ayling good signings in the summer?  Why aren't we talking about them in the same way?  What about Engel and Silvera and Hoppe and Glover?  And if it's just about loan signings then by all means let's have a look at some of them as well cos other than Doak, and Travers, you'd struggle to make a case for any of them being successful the last couple of seasons - Thomas?  Greenwood? O'Brien?  Edmundson originally as well.  They must have all been Scott signings if he was operating how he wanted to, none of them worked out, the media didn't go to town on them though, and certainly not while the bloody season was ongoing.  

There was clearly buy in when Carrick took the job. As @Bruce said there were comments made in the media to that effect. Last January things started to wrong with that system hence the disastrous window. I don't think there's any doubt the Edmundson and Iheanacho transfers looked like anything but Carrick decisions. Scott is not whiter than white, there's no doubting that but this is a system both Edwards and Scott are comfortable operating within. I think this appointment makes total sense. We shall see though i suppose. 

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2 minutes ago, Humpty said:

There was clearly buy in when Carrick took the job. As @Bruce said there were comments made in the media to that effect. Last January things started to wrong with that system hence the disastrous window. I don't think there's any doubt the Edmundson and Iheanacho transfers looked like anything but Carrick decisions. Scott is not whiter than white, there's no doubting that but this is a system both Edwards and Scott are comfortable operating within. I think this appointment makes total sense. We shall see though i suppose. 

So when are u going to sign it off on the telephone,  or you enjoying people wetting the bed over how long it's taking lol

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Just now, Humpty said:

There was clearly buy in when Carrick took the job. As @Bruce said there were comments made in the media to that effect. Last January things started to wrong with that system hence the disastrous window. I don't think there's any doubt the Edmundson and Iheanacho transfers looked like anything but Carrick decisions. Scott is not whiter than white, there's no doubting that but this is a system both Edwards and Scott are comfortable operating within. I think this appointment makes total sense. We shall see though i suppose. 

What about the original signing of Edmundson, in the summer I mean?

I think the appointment makes sense if they have some form of existing (good) relationship, and it seems like they do.  My issue with Edwards is the football Luton played rather than anything else.  His record is ok, and I'm not too bothered about what system he prefers etc.  But the football Luton played was dour, and I'd hate to see us shift to that this coming season.  

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I wish kentucky was here last season, his rants would of made the disaster worthwhile

Wonder if he still thinks gibbos so woke and we need to get potch in for the job still 

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