Carrick, Woodgate et al have gone!

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17 minutes ago, "KM" said:

Cooper, Edwards, Rohl and O’Neil are the options according to the NE. 

Among the options. Not just the options.

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1 minute ago, Tarmo Kink Army said:

O’Neil would be a disaster waiting to happen, would be similar to Benitez at Everton where he’s coming in with fans already unhappy and any slight mistake or loss and it’s toxic 

Not that I want O’Neil but I wonder whether this opinion of him is only an online thing because speaking to fans outside of this place they don’t appear to be this much against him. 

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35 minutes ago, "KM" said:

Mayb the job isn’t as attractive to managers as people think. No parachute payments, NE England, empty stadium, selling our best players, hierarchy who like to throw managers under the bus when it goes wrong,  maybe the pool of applicants isn’t going to be as attractive as people hope for? 

I note you make a lot of comments which are factually just incorrect KM…

1. We not had parachute payments for a while but still managed to get high profile names likes Wilder and Carrick in.

2. Empty stadium. Average attendance was around 25k last few seasons in a stadium that's capacity is now around 30k. How is a stadium that is about 80% full suddenly viewed as empty?

3. Every club is forced to sell their best players if price is met bar a select few. Bournemouth are selling theirs, Wolves are selling theirs. Ipswich just sold their star striker. Bayer Leverkusen are selling theirs. Are these all unattractive jobs??

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7 minutes ago, Uncle-Festa said:

I note you make a lot of comments which are factually just incorrect KM…

1. We not had parachute payments for a while but still managed to get high profile names likes Wilder and Carrick in.

2. Empty stadium. Average attendance was around 25k last few seasons in a stadium that's capacity is now around 30k. How is a stadium that is about 80% full suddenly viewed as empty?

3. Every club is forced to sell their best players if price is met bar a select few. Bournemouth are selling theirs, Wolves are selling theirs. Ipswich just sold their star striker. Bayer Leverkusen are selling theirs. Are these all unattractive jobs??

I wouldn’t class Wilder or Carrick as high profile names. 

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I don't like this job for the boys stuff from Kieran Scott. Would he be interviewing Rob Edwards if he didn't know him? If that is the list then nothing has changed.

There will be some foreign coaches who would be interested and should be considered/interviewed. Instead it looks like we aren't even bothering? I would have expected much more from Kieran Scott. If Gibson is demanding a manager who has experience in England then that is dinosaur thinking. 

We are all envious of Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton. To the point of trying to copy what they have done. They all hired have managers hired straight from the continent.

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5 minutes ago, "KM" said:

Cooper, Edwards, Rohl and O’Neil are the options according to the NE. 

I'm presuming we've been scouting head coaches in other second tier leagues and there are options that are still beneath the radar. Of those 4, I honestly don't know about O'Neil. Aside from the baggage he would bring that means he starts off as a negative already it's hard to judge how much of his time managing in the Premier league and saving Bournemouth from the drop was from being a genuinely good coach and how much was luck. His spell at Wolves seemed underwhelming. Dropping to the Championship might be the making of him.

Cooper has as good a record as you can hope for at this level and even managed to keep Forest up. If we could get him, it's hard to see why we wouldn't.

I would have preferred Edwards when we appointed Carrick. Since then, his record is mixed to say the least. I followed the discussion around him at Watford and the fans just didn't take to him; seemed like he was a very bad fit for a mis-matched bunch of technical players. He was focusing on improving their fitness. I wouldn't be against him; he feels like one of those managers who will be good in just the right club but it's hard to know whether that would be us.

Röhl has lots of clubs interested in him for good reason. I think if he had done what he had with Sheffield Wednesday in a second-tier continental league, plenty of people would think he looked like a sexy, up-and-coming German manager we had never heard of. 

Thing is, almost every manager is a gamble in some way or other. If you go for an experienced warhorse with a good track record, you don't know if they've hit that stage where they turn into Steve Bruce. If you go for a young manager with a couple of good seasons behind them, you don't know how much was just being in the right place at the right time. If you go for someone who has had success but recently failed you don't know whether they'll be able to relaunch their career with us.

Out of those 4, I would go for Cooper, Röhl, Edwards and, reluctantly, O'Neil in that order. I suspect hat Gibson will refuse to accept Edwards due to how he left FGR, Cooper will say no and Gibson will refuse to pay Röhl's release clause. That leaves O'Neil who, on paper, fits the bill but any sort of slow start and his golfing holiday is going to sink him like a stone. 

So, I hope that there is someone out there on Scott's shortlist that we don't know about and who doesn't come with the baggage that those names have. A bit of a fresh start. I really hope that Gibson doesn't stick his oar in and insist on doing his  usual180 degree turn back to a 60-year old warhorse. 

 

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2 minutes ago, TheHolgate said:

I don't like this job for the boys stuff from Kieran Scott. Would he be interviewing Rob Edwards if he didn't know him? If that is the list then nothing has changed.

There will be some foreign coaches who would be interested and should be considered/interviewed. Instead it looks like we aren't even bothering? I would have expected much more from Kieran Scott. If Gibson is demanding a manager who has experience in England then that is dinosaur thinking. 

We are all envious of Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton. To the point of trying to copy what they have done. They all hired have managers hired straight from the continent.

What is the relationship between Scott and Edward’s, how often/ long have they known or worked with each other ?

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15 minutes ago, "KM" said:

Not that I want O’Neil but I wonder whether this opinion of him is only an online thing because speaking to fans outside of this place they don’t appear to be this much against him. 

Nah this is very much a well known thing online and off, not having the boro dads on your side from the off is brutal for support as they would almost anyone but he’s tainted his image with fans 

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2 minutes ago, Rock strongo said:

What is the relationship between Scott and Edward’s, how often/ long have they known or worked with each other ?

Worked together at Wolves. Hiring a manager is such a big appointment you need to go through a proper process and consider all possibilities - including foreign candidates 

I may be jumping to conclusions but it just looks so lazy from Scott.

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6 minutes ago, "KM" said:

I wouldn’t class Wilder or Carrick as high profile names. 

Yeah, no-one had really heard of Carrick before he came here. Apparently he used to play for some Chester United or something...

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Seems counter productive to start interviewing candidates when Edwards already has the job...

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I will caveat this by saying that the Carrick news is obviously still super-fresh and lots of rumours are going around without knowing the specifics, and it might be a pre-planned announcement is relatively soon around the corner.

But, the reports of multiple managers turning us down does not reflect well on the decision to sack Carrick. Unless a manager has done something seriously disreputable, you should pretty much never fire them without already knowing who you're going to hire in their place, in my opinion. When the decision to sack Carrick was announced, I was assuming the announcement of his replacement would follow soon after. Say what you will about Carrick, and a lot of people on this board have said a lot of thing about him, but surely even his fiercest detractors would accept he's literally better than us having nobody?

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3 minutes ago, boro-unger said:

Yeah, no-one had really heard of Carrick before he came here. Apparently he used to play for some Chester United or something...

Just because he was a high profile player doesn’t mean he was a high profile manager 

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7 minutes ago, Rock strongo said:

What is the relationship between Scott and Edward’s, how often/ long have they known or worked with each other ?

They worked together at Wolves ages ago, when both in relatively junior positions. And obviously since then, Edwards has worked his way up through the leagues (and down again, if we're being fair). 

So there might be a hint about it that Scott is hiring someone because he's worked with him before, but the way some people are going on, it's like he's bringing his son who's never worked before in as manager.

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It's still one of the most attractive jobs outside the Premier League. We have a chairman who gives managers time and money to spend (within reason). Carrick was the longest serving manager in the league, and we've been one of the top spenders outside of the parachute clubs. The academy is decent (usually). We're not in dire financial trouble, we don't have protesting fans or an abysmal squad. The ambition is there, even if the execution is often lacking.