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[Brunners 7,982]

So I've seen lots of highlights recently where both penalties and red cards were given, I thought they'd moved away from red cards if it was a penalty, or is it still a red card for being last man?

[BillyWoofs_shinpad 1,884]

9 hours ago, Brunners said:

So I've seen lots of highlights recently where both penalties and red cards were given, I thought they'd moved away from red cards if it was a penalty, or is it still a red card for being last man?

Sometimes. 

[Brunners 7,982]

2 hours ago, BillyWoofs_shinpad said:

Sometimes. 

that's not very helpful Billy 

[Brunners 7,982]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12117074/efl-chairman-rick-parry-writes-letter-to-government-we-cant-stop-clubs-going-bust

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"Thank you for your response to my recent letter, however I am afraid that it both misunderstands and misrepresents the EFL's position which I cannot allow to go unchallenged at this critical time for our clubs," reads Parry's letter.

"I would like to make it clear that I have never given any commitment, personal or otherwise, that the EFL has the resources to prevent clubs from folding. Nor have I ever said anything that could be construed as such, despite several attempts by DCMS in recent weeks to get us to commit to such a position in public.

"If the EFL did have these resources, why would we have been engaged in the rescue package debate for so long? EFL clubs will require £400m of funding from their owners to keep them in business this season. This sum will only increase while we do not have fans in grounds and are without an acceptable financial bailout.

"Should any of our owners find themselves unable or unwilling to provide these funds, perhaps because their other businesses are also struggling, there is very little that the EFL will be able to do to stop clubs from going to the wall.

"What I have said, repeatedly, is that we are working tirelessly to secure solutions which will keep our 72 clubs afloat. This includes long running discussions with DCMS and the Premier League about financial support.

"Once again, I feel the need to remind you that in giving the Premier League the opportunity to complete the 2019/20 season, thereby protecting around £1billion of its commercial revenue, you stated that this should 'ensure finances from the game's resumption supports the wider football family'.

"Additionally, following the Government's decision to prohibit the return of fans to stadiums from 1 October, it committed to provide financial support to sports that were affected. DCMS responded to this by determining that professional football should support itself and that you expected the Premier League 'to step up to the plate'.

"Discussions with the Premier League continue, however it is clear that top-flight clubs are also feeling the effects of the pandemic, particularly the loss of gate revenue, and it may not be in a position to provide the level of support that is required.

"Therefore, the onus remains on you to remedy the situation rather than thinking of it as 'job done'. After all, it is the Government that is currently preventing fans from going to games not the Premier League.

"I think it is essential that I am very clear about the predicament that is now facing our clubs. This will help us avoid any further misunderstandings.

"The current approach of simply hoping that a solution materialises is going to have devastating consequences for the very same communities that the Government claims it wishes to 'Level Up'.

"EFL clubs, almost all of them the social cornerstone of the towns and cities they bear the names of, stand on the brink of a financial precipice.

"It will not be good enough to blithely state that help will be available at the point where a club is about to go out of business, as by that stage it will inevitably have been hollowed out to a point where it is barely functioning at all, with its academy, community programme and in some cases women's team closed for good and with the staff that deliver these benefits to the wider community having been made redundant.

"These are structures that have taken decades to establish and will take decades to replace. The Government's response to the crisis that is engulfing football is particularly galling when compared with the comparative generosity being extended to other areas of your portfolio - for example, the £1.5 billion funding package to the Arts sector alone.

"While football grounds in Rochdale, Grimsby, Mansfield and Carlisle might seem an awful long way from Glyndebourne or the Royal Ballet, they are nonetheless equally important parts of our nation's heritage.

"It must have dawned on you that it is deeply unfair that cultural institutions like these are receiving Government hand-outs while also being able to generate revenues by admitting the paying public.

"Yet at the same time, football is told to support itself and its clubs have to play behind closed doors. I am sure you can understand how this disparity in approach must look to football fans in constituencies across the country. What is needed is a clear plan as to how we are going to keep EFL clubs in business in the period ahead.

"In our view, this must involve getting fans safely back into stadia as quickly as possible and, in the meantime, providing relief on PAYE payments to HMRC so that clubs do not continue to haemorrhage cash while playing behind closed doors.

"In any event, clubs will soon begin defaulting on these payments and the Government would be better off managing this situation rather than having it land on its toes. Secretary of State, I urge you not to respond dismissively to this letter as you did our earnest contribution to recent conversations about creating a financially sustainable model for the English professional football pyramid.

"For too long, we have been highlighting the financial chasm between the Premier League and the Championship, the destabilising effect of parachute payments (which comprise 30 per cent of Championship Clubs' aggregate turnover) and the unsustainable losses incurred by clubs in every division of the EFL.

"Therefore, to suggest that now is not the right time to be addressing these issues is, frankly, baffling. Instead I would encourage you to think long and hard about the future consequences of the approach you are currently taking. In all other areas, the Government has accepted that when it restricts business activity it should provide some form of support.

"For some reason, football is being regarded as a peculiarly undeserving case and, as a result, many of our clubs have now reached the conclusion that we are at best being ignored by a Government that doesn't understand our National Sport and at worst being victimised by it.

"Ultimately, the football public will judge the performance of this Conservative Government on how many football clubs remain in business once the pandemic finally subsides. Certainly, those communities that are inextricably linked to their local team will never forgive it if their beloved football clubs are driven into extinction."

I think Parry is a tosser but to be fair to him I don't think he could have been much clearer in his letter.

[TeaCider24 12,641]

12 hours ago, Brunners said:

So I've seen lots of highlights recently where both penalties and red cards were given, I thought they'd moved away from red cards if it was a penalty, or is it still a red card for being last man?

You can still be sent off if there was no genuine attempt to play the ball.

[Borodane 6,301]

12 hours ago, Brunners said:

So I've seen lots of highlights recently where both penalties and red cards were given, I thought they'd moved away from red cards if it was a penalty, or is it still a red card for being last man?

I think if you attempt to play the ball but get unlucky then there won't be the double penalty of a red and a penalty kick. Or if the ref deems that another player could still be in with a chance of getting to the ball. I think it's only if you blatantly tackle the player without any chance of getting the ball like a tackle onto the ankle from behind.

[Brunners 7,982]

37 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said:

You can still be sent off if there was no genuine attempt to play the ball.

 

29 minutes ago, Borodane said:

I think if you attempt to play the ball but get unlucky then there won't be the double penalty of a red and a penalty kick. Or if the ref deems that another player could still be in with a chance of getting to the ball. I think it's only if you blatantly tackle the player without any chance of getting the ball like a tackle onto the ankle from behind.

Thanks both of you; that makes sense 🙂

[BillyWoofs_shinpad 1,884]

56 minutes ago, Brunners said:

that's not very helpful Billy 

No but it’s the truth, sometimes they get sent off sometimes they don’t. It’s up to the ref.

[Humpty 3,261]

12 hours ago, Brunners said:

So I've seen lots of highlights recently where both penalties and red cards were given, I thought they'd moved away from red cards if it was a penalty, or is it still a red card for being last man?

If you don't make a genuine attempt to play the ball, the referee can send the player off and award a penalty.

[ScarBoro 857]

34 minutes ago, Brunners said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12117074/efl-chairman-rick-parry-writes-letter-to-government-we-cant-stop-clubs-going-bust

I think Parry is a tosser but to be fair to him I don't think he could have been much clearer in his letter.

Wasn’t it Parry who was part of setting up the Premier League and parachute payments?

As for the unsustainable losses he mentions - that’s been happening for years and the EFL as a whole hasn’t done enough to try to stem the losses and make clubs play within their (normal) income. The government has made a right horlicks of much of the crisis, but I can’t imagine many people outside football fans being happy to see huge sums going to clubs when they were never living within their means. I mean, Boro managed to find money for Akpom, didn’t they. Does the taxpayer have to subsidize that and the spend of a lot of clubs?

i can understand why he compares football to theatres and the like, but theatres tend to produce a budget and stick to it, matching income (albeit sometimes with public subsidies) with costs. They don’t rack up huge losses in hope of moving up the “league” and they don’t get bought and sold with new owners determined to spend more that previous ones. 
Think  he has a fair point about getting fans back though. All the newer evidence seems to suggest that the overwhelming majority of infections occur inside and particularly where there is little air ventilation. 

[AnglianRed 6,320]

Dunno if this has already been posted somewhere else, but I just heard it on the radio...

Is anyone else looking forward to watching us play in the EFL Pizza Cup for the next 3 years?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8888867/Football-fans-mock-EFL-Cup-tournament-Papa-Johns-Trophy-pizza-sponsorship.html

 

Are you up for a slice of the action, or can they go and get stuffed (crust)?

Just as well the PL are getting rid of the Community Shield...it might have ended up as the Community Deep Dish.

 

[BearSmog 1,382]

52 minutes ago, AnglianRed said:

Dunno if this has already been posted somewhere else, but I just heard it on the radio...

Is anyone else looking forward to watching us play in the EFL Pizza Cup for the next 3 years?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8888867/Football-fans-mock-EFL-Cup-tournament-Papa-Johns-Trophy-pizza-sponsorship.html

 

Are you up for a slice of the action, or can they go and get stuffed (crust)?

Just as well the PL are getting rid of the Community Shield...it might have ended up as the Community Deep Dish.

 

Only if we get relegated... 

[Old Codger 3,064]

Major factor in the top clubs not wanting Community Shield is proceeds do not go to them, but to charities, if abolished, the big clubs don't suffer, just the people who lose out on funds 

[AnglianRed 6,320]

7 minutes ago, Old Codger said:

Major factor in the top clubs not wanting Community Shield is proceeds do not go to them, but to charities, if abolished, the big clubs don't suffer, just the people who lose out on funds 

Which is rather pathetic, given its a one-off game...essentially a pre-season friendly. I know most clubs already do a decent amount of charity work, but scrapping a single fixture just seems very mean-spirited...even in the current crisis.

[BoroBoy1989 229]

Faris Haroun captaining a Royal Antwerp side who are 10 mins away from beating spurs. 
 

He’s actually played well (as has Ritchie De Laet)