Non-Boro Football

[Redcar Rioja 5,975]

2 minutes ago, Brunners said:

the BLM campaign not the org, which need to be considered separate entities. The campaign has far outgrown the beliefs of the organisation.

I fully agree but do you seriously believe that the ordinary person in the street has the time, inclination or understanding to disseminate the nuances between the two? 

[ABH 470]

7 minutes ago, Brunners said:

the BLM campaign not the org, which need to be considered separate entities. The campaign has far outgrown the beliefs of the organisation.

A quote from the statement from the clubs 

 "Aston Villa and Sheffield United were proud to stand in solidarity with the actions of the players and coaching staff of both football clubs during the first ten seconds of tonight’s Premier League fixture, expressing our collective support for the Black Lives Matter movement.

[Borodane 6,301]

Just had a wee look at the Derby forum. They really are in a hole. Their transfer thread only has a handful of posts over the last 10 days or so🤣 Anyways a few posters are speculating that Derby are in for a points deduction and due to Gibsons vocal involvement and despise for Derby the club and EFL have agreed to postpone the decision by postponing the accounts until next week. All to avoid trouble when Boro come to Pride Park at the weekend 🤣 Oh, and they certainly don't want Gibson to attend the match.

[Denzel Zanzibar 6,972]

7 minutes ago, Borodane said:

Just had a wee look at the Derby forum. They really are in a hole. Their transfer thread only has a handful of posts over the last 10 days or so🤣 Anyways a few posters are speculating that Derby are in for a points deduction and due to Gibsons vocal involvement and despise for Derby the club and EFL have agreed to postpone the decision by postponing the accounts until next week. All to avoid trouble when Boro come to Pride Park at the weekend 🤣 Oh, and they certainly don't want Gibson to attend the match.

It seems that a lot of their fans just want the club to go into administration and start again in League One next season. I can't say I blame them.

[AnglianRed 6,320]

9 minutes ago, Borodane said:

Just had a wee look at the Derby forum. They really are in a hole. Their transfer thread only has a handful of posts over the last 10 days or so🤣 Anyways a few posters are speculating that Derby are in for a points deduction and due to Gibsons vocal involvement and despise for Derby the club and EFL have agreed to postpone the decision by postponing the accounts until next week. All to avoid trouble when Boro come to Pride Park at the weekend 🤣 Oh, and they certainly don't want Gibson to attend the match.

You always know just how to cheer us up! 😁

[MMC 1,000]

Went to take a nosey over at the Millwall forum to see what their opinion was but the top thread was bemoaning taking in thousands of refugees from Afghanistan, whether "White British" would be a minority in the next 20 years and if there'd be a WLM movement. 

I do hope that even if a tiger can't change its stripes that a lion can change its deep-rooted, racist ideologies.

[Brunners 7,982]

1 hour ago, newyddion said:

but what were the beliefs of the organisation that folks were so offended by? genuinely 

A couple of the "original" BLM Org founders were big on "taking down capitalism" and other such things and despite it far outgrowing that, that bit obviously stuck with the detractors.

1 hour ago, Redcar Rioja said:

I fully agree but do you seriously believe that the ordinary person in the street has the time, inclination or understanding to disseminate the nuances between the two? 

Well no; which is why there's a problem - they believe it's supporting the BLM org when it isn't because they don't see the difference. To them, they're one and the same, which I don't agree with but do see why it caused a problem unfortunately.

1 hour ago, ABH said:

A quote from the statement from the clubs 

 "Aston Villa and Sheffield United were proud to stand in solidarity with the actions of the players and coaching staff of both football clubs during the first ten seconds of tonight’s Premier League fixture, expressing our collective support for the Black Lives Matter movement.

Same thing mate, you can replace movement with campaign and vice versa, it's the same thing. The movement is not the Org though, not any more it's far far bigger now.

[Brunners 7,982]

59 minutes ago, Borodane said:

Just had a wee look at the Derby forum. They really are in a hole. Their transfer thread only has a handful of posts over the last 10 days or so🤣 Anyways a few posters are speculating that Derby are in for a points deduction and due to Gibsons vocal involvement and despise for Derby the club and EFL have agreed to postpone the decision by postponing the accounts until next week. All to avoid trouble when Boro come to Pride Park at the weekend 🤣 Oh, and they certainly don't want Gibson to attend the match.

They mostly seem weirdly positive about it all from what I can see. Vast majority of them think the extension is because they're going to pass.

[Will 2,958]

1 hour ago, ABH said:

A quote from the statement from the clubs 

 "Aston Villa and Sheffield United were proud to stand in solidarity with the actions of the players and coaching staff of both football clubs during the first ten seconds of tonight’s Premier League fixture, expressing our collective support for the Black Lives Matter movement.

In this context the words campaign and movement are synonymous, so not sure what your point is?

[Foogle 2,104]

Maybe they should make kneeling synonymous with Kick It Out rather than BLM, then there's not really anyway they can hide behind booing for political reasons? But is that just letting the racists win?

[ManBearPig 1,853]

There were people Some people booing on Saturday around where I was sat in the North Stand, and it was embarrassing as to why. 
 

With the amount of players and managers who have now come out and explicitly said that they are taking the knee for equal rights there should be no confusion of grey area in terms of why they are doing it. 
 

People will unfortunately ignore this message and boo it for what ever reason they want, there is no acceptance or willingness to adopt education because their mindset isn’t open to knowing why. The problem is that booing is someone’s right so they’re not breaking any law by a simple boo, even though their reasons for it are pretty clear and in my opinion, disgusting.

I would genuinely love to have a conversation with someone who did boo on Saturday as to the reasons why they did (if anyone is reading, please feel free to DM and in confidence). 
 

It is reassuring though that the majority of people did clap, even harder and louder to drown out the booing. 
 

 

 

[ABH 470]

28 minutes ago, Will said:

In this context the words campaign and movement are synonymous, so not sure what your point is?

Because that’s what the players are taking the knee in support of. Well until the booing started and they decided to pretend it was in support of something else

[Changing Times 12,343]

16 minutes ago, Foogle said:

Maybe they should make kneeling synonymous with Kick It Out rather than BLM, then there's not really anyway they can hide behind booing for political reasons? But is that just letting the racists win?

Maybe they should do something other than kneeling?  Don't really see why this now must be the gesture that's used?  We must take a knee to support our anti-racism beliefs?  Why?  Just do something else, and if it continues then we know what those people are all about.

[Will 2,958]

6 minutes ago, ABH said:

Because that’s what the players are taking the knee in support of. Well until the booing started and they decided to pretend it was in support of something else

We agree. They are taking the knee in support of the Black Lives matter movement for racial equality, that hasn't changed at any point.

[ABH 470]

1 minute ago, Will said:

We agree. They are taking the knee in support of the Black Lives matter movement for racial equality, that hasn't changed at any point.

Yeah and fans are booing because they don’t believe supporting the BLM is the way to bring racial equality