Changing Times 12,218 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Can’t we just agree that they are both great footballers. Every time one of them does something good the Ronaldo vs Messi debate takes over. Not on here though but on vertically every other forum. Vertically speaking I'd say Ronaldo is better. Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Can’t we just agree that they are both great footballers. Every time one of them does something good the Ronaldo vs Messi debate takes over. Not on here though but on vertically every other forum. Vertically speaking I'd say Ronaldo is better. Jebus Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Quality tweet from Crouch “there is only a few of us that can do that”. Link to post Share on other sites
tylergomez 53 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Can’t we just agree that they are both great footballers. Every time one of them does something good the Ronaldo vs Messi debate takes over. Not on here though but on vertically every other forum. I am not saying Messi isn’t brilliant. He is. And I appreciate him as a footballer. Sorry if bringing him into it blurred the issue, maybe I should have just said that I think Ronaldo is the best player in the world. And has been for a while. Link to post Share on other sites
Will 2,958 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Christiano Ronaldo. What an epic footballer. I have been saying for a few years he is better than Messi. I know not many agree, but he so much more to his game. He has done it in two leagues. He is stronger, faster, better in the air, as skilful, about as good a finisher. That goal tonight was outstanding. I know others have scored similar but at this stage of the CL. Against such a good side. And for your 119th European goal. To have the whole of the stadium applauding you. That is special. I couldn't disagree more. Ronaldo for the last 2-3 years has become a glorified goal poacher, actually sacrificing aspects of his game to try and maintain just his goal scoring numbers. Whereas Messi is actually adding more to his game, he has essentially become Barcas attack and part of their midfield, if he isn't firing Barca aren't firing. Messi's a better passer, dribbler, assister and a better goalscorer. But Ronaldo has better natural physical attributes so he's better? Pull the other one. Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,492 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 For me what it boils down to is that Ronaldo has worked astoundingly hard to be as good as he is, whereas Messi's talent is completely natural. I'm not saying Ronaldo isn't naturally gifted, nor am I saying that Messi doesn't train hard, but for me, I prefer to watch Messi, because everything about his size and stature tell me he shouldn't be a good footballer, and yet his natural ability with a ball is like nothing I have seen in my life (I'm too young to remember prime Maradona). Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Christiano Ronaldo. What an epic footballer. I have been saying for a few years he is better than Messi. I know not many agree, but he so much more to his game. He has done it in two leagues. He is stronger, faster, better in the air, as skilful, about as good a finisher. That goal tonight was outstanding. I know others have scored similar but at this stage of the CL. Against such a good side. And for your 119th European goal. To have the whole of the stadium applauding you. That is special. I couldn't disagree more. Ronaldo for the last 2-3 years has become a glorified goal poacher, actually sacrificing aspects of his game to try and maintain just his goal scoring numbers. Whereas Messi is actually adding more to his game, he has essentially become Barcas attack and part of their midfield, if he isn't firing Barca aren't firing. Messi's a better passer, dribbler, assister and a better goalscorer. But Ronaldo has better natural physical attributes so he's better? Pull the other one. I don't think you can claim that Messi is a better goalscorer when Ronaldo has scored more goals in his career albeit in more games. Or do you mean Messi scores better goals? If anything Ronaldo is a goalscorer. To me they are both just fantastic footballers and one is sometimes better than the other in periods. Ronaldo has 23 goals since the turn of the year. Thats 23 goals inside three months in just 14 games. And is the first player to score in 10 consecutive CL matches. Madness. Link to post Share on other sites
Essuuaitch 330 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Ronaldo is an outstanding goalscorer and at the very top level of players in the history of the game you can pick small faults with his demeanour and ideosyncracies but his record where it matters over the last decade or so holds up against anyone ever . BUT MESSI....Has all that and more imo . i,ll go as far as to say he is and will be the greatest footballer i will ever witness in my lifetime and it will take something extroadinary to top him in the future . i saw plenty of Maradona and,special as he was. these two have surpassed him . Ronaldo not in every aspect ,but Messi in all . Link to post Share on other sites
Will 2,958 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Christiano Ronaldo. What an epic footballer. I have been saying for a few years he is better than Messi. I know not many agree, but he so much more to his game. He has done it in two leagues. He is stronger, faster, better in the air, as skilful, about as good a finisher. That goal tonight was outstanding. I know others have scored similar but at this stage of the CL. Against such a good side. And for your 119th European goal. To have the whole of the stadium applauding you. That is special. I couldn't disagree more. Ronaldo for the last 2-3 years has become a glorified goal poacher, actually sacrificing aspects of his game to try and maintain just his goal scoring numbers. Whereas Messi is actually adding more to his game, he has essentially become Barcas attack and part of their midfield, if he isn't firing Barca aren't firing. Messi's a better passer, dribbler, assister and a better goalscorer. But Ronaldo has better natural physical attributes so he's better? Pull the other one. I don't think you can claim that Messi is a better goalscorer when Ronaldo has scored more goals in his career albeit in more games. Or do you mean Messi scores better goals? If anything Ronaldo is a goalscorer. To me they are both just fantastic footballers and one is sometimes better than the other in periods. Ronaldo has 23 goals since the turn of the year. Thats 23 goals inside three months in just 14 games. And is the first player to score in 10 consecutive CL matches. Madness. Messi has average a goal every 93 minutes through his career whereas Ronaldo has average a goal every 107 minutes. I think my argument is justified and back up by stats. Link to post Share on other sites
tylergomez 53 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Christiano Ronaldo. What an epic footballer. I have been saying for a few years he is better than Messi. I know not many agree, but he so much more to his game. He has done it in two leagues. He is stronger, faster, better in the air, as skilful, about as good a finisher. That goal tonight was outstanding. I know others have scored similar but at this stage of the CL. Against such a good side. And for your 119th European goal. To have the whole of the stadium applauding you. That is special. I couldn't disagree more. Ronaldo for the last 2-3 years has become a glorified goal poacher, actually sacrificing aspects of his game to try and maintain just his goal scoring numbers. Whereas Messi is actually adding more to his game, he has essentially become Barcas attack and part of their midfield, if he isn't firing Barca aren't firing. Messi's a better passer, dribbler, assister and a better goalscorer. But Ronaldo has better natural physical attributes so he's better? Pull the other one. I think calling him a glorified goal poacher is a bit much after seeing him score one the all time great CL goals. I would take your point about maintaining his numbers and see it as a strength. He is adapting to the fact that he isn’t as quick as he was. So he has entirely adapted his game to be able to offer the team something as valuable. And what is more valuable than scoring goals. And his ratio is mental. Messi maybe edges it in terms of passing and dribbling (but it is close - over their career) and Ronaldo edges it in many other areas. They are clearly both outstanding players. Arguably the worst greatest players ever to play the game. We are very lucky to have them both playing at the same time. I view it very much like Federer and Nadal in Tennis. Two genuine all time greats pushing each other on to be even better. I don’t think you can definitively say one is better than the other. Because there are so many contextual and mitigating factors. I will just say that - for me - Ronaldo is better. I am not naive to think that is not entirely subjective though. In my lifetime the two greatest players were Zidane, closely followed by Maradona. I think both Ronaldo and Messi are better than those two. And have the longevity of a great career to back it up. I love football Link to post Share on other sites
tylergomez 53 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Christiano Ronaldo. What an epic footballer. I have been saying for a few years he is better than Messi. I know not many agree, but he so much more to his game. He has done it in two leagues. He is stronger, faster, better in the air, as skilful, about as good a finisher. That goal tonight was outstanding. I know others have scored similar but at this stage of the CL. Against such a good side. And for your 119th European goal. To have the whole of the stadium applauding you. That is special. I couldn't disagree more. Ronaldo for the last 2-3 years has become a glorified goal poacher, actually sacrificing aspects of his game to try and maintain just his goal scoring numbers. Whereas Messi is actually adding more to his game, he has essentially become Barcas attack and part of their midfield, if he isn't firing Barca aren't firing. Messi's a better passer, dribbler, assister and a better goalscorer. But Ronaldo has better natural physical attributes so he's better? Pull the other one. I don't think you can claim that Messi is a better goalscorer when Ronaldo has scored more goals in his career albeit in more games. Or do you mean Messi scores better goals? If anything Ronaldo is a goalscorer. To me they are both just fantastic footballers and one is sometimes better than the other in periods. Ronaldo has 23 goals since the turn of the year. Thats 23 goals inside three months in just 14 games. And is the first player to score in 10 consecutive CL matches. Madness. Messi has average a goal every 93 minutes through his career whereas Ronaldo has average a goal every 107 minutes. I think my argument is justified and back up by stats. Every stat taken without context doesn’t show the whole picture though. Someone shared a great thing on FB using stats to show that Ronaldo is better. It was really interesting - but not definitive but without context stats show what you want them to. Link to post Share on other sites
Neverbefore 10,695 Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 Stats don't mean a lot considering the circumstances of both footballers are hugely different. Ronaldo played in an average United team for years and single handedly made them look a lot better than they are. He has also never played in a team as good as the Barcelona team that Messi thrived in for years with xavi and iniesta giving a constant supply of chances. Argentina are historically a better attacking team than Portugal too and arguably there are fewer strong teams in South America than in europe. Im Not coming down on either side of the argument as truthfully, I keep changing my mind. That's how close it is for me. Just pointing out that relying on stats isn't applicable in this particular debate, its just a matter ot preference. Unquestionably the best two footballers I've ever seen though. Link to post Share on other sites
tylergomez 53 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Stats don't mean a lot considering the circumstances of both footballers are hugely different. Ronaldo played in an average United team for years and single handedly made them look a lot better than they are. He has also never played in a team as good as the Barcelona team that Messi thrived in for years with xavi and iniesta giving a constant supply of chances. Argentina are historically a better attacking team than Portugal too and arguably there are fewer strong teams in South America than in europe. Im Not coming down on either side of the argument as truthfully, I keep changing my mind. That's how close it is for me. Just pointing out that relying on stats isn't applicable in this particular debate, its just a matter ot preference. Unquestionably the best two footballers I've ever seen though. I agree with every word of this. Well said that man. Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Yes NB4. I was about to write something like that. The players around Messi was much better than the players Ronaldo had around him at United. Once Ronaldo moved to Real and got better players around him he has scored more goals than he has played games (445 goals in 430 games). Link to post Share on other sites
unclesmog 53 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Bringing it all back round to Zlatan, his reaction was gold. "It was a nice goal, but he should try it from 40 metres." Link to post Share on other sites
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