Denzel Zanzibar 6,927 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Foogle said: 12 is the maximum for breaching the laws and I think another 9 points can be added on top of that if there is foul play, such as deliberately misrepresenting the value of a stadium to circumvent Profit and Sustainability laws 🤠 It's more than likely going to be the 9 points that Birmingham received though I'd suspect. 21 would surely see Derby relegated, correct? Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,194 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 It might not be anything unless the EFL can prove that the valuation was dodgy and explain why they signed off on it in the first place. If nothing else, Gibson has shown that the EFL's FFP checks are about as extensive as their fit and proper person checks. Absolutely bloody useless. Link to post Share on other sites
Smoggydownsouth 1,621 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said: 21 point deduction? I thought it was 9? Mail reporting this morning could be 21 points. Link to post Share on other sites
BoroJake 2,331 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I wonder if the takeover may fall through now? Derby would be in real trouble Link to post Share on other sites
Denzel Zanzibar 6,927 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/34193-efl-charge-derby-over-ffp/ They're shitting themselves, and rightly so. A lot of anger towards Mel Morris (Warning: There's like 43 pages.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RealSlimSladeyy 766 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Remember their chants when we played them earlier this season. ha ha Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,948 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 EFL value stadium at 50m not the 80m derby valued it at. Link to post Share on other sites
Blanco 4,889 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 54 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said: https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/34193-efl-charge-derby-over-ffp/ They're shitting themselves, and rightly so. A lot of anger towards Mel Morris (Warning: There's like 43 pages.) One of them put up a pic of Steve Gibson and said "I bet the smug smog is pleased with himself now" 😂😂😂 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,948 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Denzel Zanzibar said: https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/34193-efl-charge-derby-over-ffp/ They're shitting themselves, and rightly so. A lot of anger towards Mel Morris (Warning: There's like 43 pages.) Half of them are shitting themselves and the other half think they'll get off scott free and it's all a bunch of hogwash. Edit: Not to mention the old 'hypocritical' Gibson spiel about how he 'sold Boro's debts to one of his own firms at a cost to the taxpayer' Link to post Share on other sites
Denzel Zanzibar 6,927 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 There's no way they can get off scott free. MM is lucky he's not being investigated by the Inland Revenue for fraud. Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,206 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Brunners said: Half of them are shitting themselves and the other half think they'll get off scott free and it's all a bunch of hogwash. Seems to align with one half thinking the move to sell your stadium in effect to yourself to get around financial obligations isn't a sustainable way of doing things and the other half not giving a toss because the current laws don't say it isn't sustainable. The EFL are *** and have not helped themselves in this situation and if it comes down to Derby just having to prove the valuation they got was fair then they may be okay. A £20-30m difference suggests quite a significant difference and I heard that apparently they didn't even need to value it as high as that unless they were expecting even more losses this season. But whilst I quite like Derby, I sincerely hope we see some balls from the EFL in tackling the problems with their own profitability and sustainability rules. The loopholes have to be closed and in such a clear act of trying to skirt around the rules, I fully believe retrospective action should be taken against them if they amend the laws. Derby fans unfortunately need to see what Mel Morris has done as exactly what it is. Call it clever accounting if you wish, it's only been done for one reason; to spend more in an unsustainable way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SouthernSmoggie 4,221 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Not sure I would feel quite this cocky if I was a Derby fan... we'll have to wait and see! Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,948 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 That's the image that cropped up in the summer when this first kicked off. There's only a couple people pulling it out again now lol, and they're idiots. Link to post Share on other sites
Denzel Zanzibar 6,927 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Uwe 3,542 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 I don’t think anything will happen to Derby. As the EFL signed off on the stadium deal before it went ahead. So DCFC have a strong case to take it to the court of arbitration. The rules state that you can sell fixed assets with no real restrictions. It’s the valuation that’s the sticky point Derby say £80m and the EFL say £60m whos to say who correct Dont get me wrong I’d love for the EFL to start taking FFP seriously and nail them with a 12 or 21 points deduction. But I think they need to tighten up in their own rules before they have a strong enough case Link to post Share on other sites
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