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50+1 would be an awesome improvement in football, from PL to grassroots level, but how can this be retrospectively applied (especially in a hurry) to an industry where clubs are entirely owned by foreign billionaires with squadrons of lawyers salivating at any prospect of legal battles?

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Just now, RiseAgainst said:

50+1 would be an awesome development, from PL to grassroots, but how can this be retrofitted (in a hurry) to a model where clubs are entirely owned by foreign billionaires with squadrons of lawyers salivating at any prospect of legal battles?

I'm not a legal expert but can't the government forcibly buy any company they believe is working against the national interest?

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13 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

Absolutely awful, even as an Arsenal fan I think this is a very very bad idea.

It's going to end so badly.

Well thats the kicker, I believe.

If the SL does indeed go ahead, it will likely be a whopping commercial success...at least to begin with.

Domestic football will take a financial hit, but if nothing else the pandemic has taught clubs how to be careful with their finances. I think things would settle down fairly quickly and we'd get used to the "new normal".

But as usual the big losers in all this would be the fans of the SL teams. I dread to think how much it would cost to attend all matches over a season...so much international travel involved. I foresee crowds being much smaller, but if loads more fans are paying hugely inflated subscription fees, then the money men will be happy.

While it won't be disastrous for football in and of itself, so much history and tradition is being consigned to the trash heap, like the last 140-odd years never happened.

 

Never felt sorry for Man Utd fans until today...

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Brunners said:

I'm not a legal expert but can't the government forcibly buy any company they believe is working against the national interest?

Not sure about that. I know they can buy companies that are critical to national infrastructure, defence or similar...hence why there was that push for them to buy Liberty Steel.

 

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1 hour ago, Brunners said:

Doesn't seem like players/managers were consulted so I wonder if we see any other managers walk / get fired over this.

I think he’s been fired due to results and fan unrest, rather than for making a stand against the Super League. I’m pretty certain that was just a fake Twitter rumour. 

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21 minutes ago, Brunners said:

I'm not a legal expert but can't the government forcibly buy any company they believe is working against the national interest?

I'm also really unsure that THIS Government are that bothered by the national interest. Unless of course it helps line their own pockets, or their Sisters, or Mothers or brother-in-laws. But that is another debate entirely.

Unfortunately I feel there would need to be mass protest at every level; FIFA/UEFA, Managers/Coaches, players, broadcasters, other clubs and fans for this to be headed off.

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26 minutes ago, RiseAgainst said:

50+1 would be an awesome improvement in football, from PL to grassroots level, but how can this be retrospectively applied (especially in a hurry) to an industry where clubs are entirely owned by foreign billionaires with squadrons of lawyers salivating at any prospect of legal battles?

It would be great. Not 100% sure how it works in Germany, but you would think it would solve a lot of problems we've had in the UK recently with owners sucking their clubs dry and being able to bypass the fit and proper tests with ease. 

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50 minutes ago, Duvel said:

This whole idea and the reaction to it is laughable. We've got fans and pundits saying the game is finished/ its all about money/ its totally unfair. When has this not been the case for the last 20 years? 

The game had gone well before this idea, we already had the rich clubs getting richer and teams on the fringes of the top flight having no chance of ever competing again. 

How can you call the Premier league a fair competition when Burnley and Fulham have to compete with the financial might of Man City? Its like having the hundred metres race in the Olympics with someone starting at the 50m mark. 

The likes of Gary Neville, Carragher and Lineker are up in arms over it but they were happy to see their clubs win titles funded by billionaires and they are happy working for BT and Sky who have been absolutely rinsing the fans for years. It makes me laugh.

This will never happen because if these so called big clubs are banned from domestic competitions then their fans will walk on masse. But if this does fall through then what? We go back to the Premier league where Pep can spend another billion on players over the next decade to keep City on top. If you don't have a billionaire owner any aspiration of ever competing has gone. What's the point? 

Under the current system clubs like us simply exist, what's the best we can hope for now? A handful of seasons in the topflight getting pummeled every season? What's the point? 

What currently exists is an imbalance, it's an imperfect system that is weighted in favour of clubs with more wealth who are more willing and able to capitalise and increase that wealth. But the system is still there, the possibility is still there for someone to challenge that, even if it requires investment to do so. 10 years ago, Leicester were in the same position we were, mid-table mediocrity in the Championship. Where are they now? I'm not saying we will end up there by any means but someone in our position could in 10 years be doing what Leicester are doing now with the right investment. If the system stays the same. Is that not relative success?

And is relative success not meaningful? If so, why do we even have a 2nd division or below? Why do Hartlepool United even exist? Further to challenge that, why are you still a Boro fan if you ask what's the point of us even existing? I find that aspect absolutely baffling, to be honest.

What's being proposed isn't just a further imbalance, it is something that takes our sport and says teams with the largest brand recognition are undoubtedly the elite in our continent. It takes what sporting integrity is left at the top of the game and rips it to shreds. They'll say right now they want to be part of our domestic league but they don't value it, they don't value its history, its legacy. They don't want to evolve our game, they want a revolution that favours just them as they see themselves as the only meaningful members of their respective leagues.

And this isn't just about how that affects the integrity of sport, about aspirations and dreams from players, managers and fans to achieve, however much those are simply dreams a lot of the time. The Aston Villa chief exec has just come out and made it quite clear what else this means; it means that they don't need to worry about hiring a bad manager or making bad decisions on signing players because they have certainty in a huge portion of their income. Now, you can say they don't need to worry about that either but the league table this season for the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs might not deliver them what they feel they need to achieve with the system as it stands. Take a look at our own club, our own failure to achieve our goals and where do we point the finger? We certainly don't blame the league or the pandemic, we blame ourselves, we can be better. That, for these clubs, is not the problem.

Just as a final point around dominance, the Prem has been around for 30 years this year, right? In that time United have dominated that the most with 13 titles with Chelsea and what is sure to be City joint 2nd place on 5 titles, in total there has been 7 different winners. In the 30 years prior to that, there were only 8 different winners, Liverpool dominated that time with 13 titles, Everton 2nd in line with 4 titles. The names have changed since the Premier League began but the distribution hasn't changed an awful lot at all.

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37 minutes ago, RiseAgainst said:

50+1 would be an awesome improvement in football, from PL to grassroots level, but how can this be retrospectively applied (especially in a hurry) to an industry where clubs are entirely owned by foreign billionaires with squadrons of lawyers salivating at any prospect of legal battles?

Unfortunately I think you're right.

The German FA wrote that into their rules back in 1998 - probably before big business had a chance to dig its claws into their game.

The Premier League would have only been around 6 years at that time...maybe the FA could have done something similar back them. But I think we're too far gone now. As you say, too many foreign investors with too much to lose, for us to change now.

 

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19 minutes ago, BillyWoofs_shinpad said:

I think he’s be fired due to results and fan unrest, rather than for making a stand against the Super League. I’m pretty certain that was just a fake Twitter rumour. 

It does seem like the timing is just quite convenient to the discussion as opposed to a genuine link, yeah.

The reports I'd read were them saying they're worried about losing out on the Champions League which is why they were considering getting rid.

God knows why they're worried about that, they don't want to be part of the Champions League, they want to sod off anyway. Doesn't matter who's in charge if your main source of income is permanently available.

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If those are legit it demonstrates a breathtaking level of arrogance...not to mention confidence that the SL will go ahead.

Also shows Americans really don't get "soccer". 🙄

 

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5 minutes ago, Leesider said:

I heard they wiil scrap the whole idea if Bray are not involved!

So long as Cork City don’t push themselves to the front and try take the place of Bray 😃

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