sanddancer 1,964 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Neverbefore said: Sorry mate, but this is not true at all. The problem on here is not with long balls, but the frequency of long balls. Every team in the world employs them at times to set off attacks, relieve pressure or move a rigid defence around. But very few teams use them like we do. For example against sheff utd we made 174 passes and 71 of them were long balls. That's a ridiculous ratio that follows the general pattern of our play. I agree as the game is more about creating which can only be achieved if you have possession. However as you stated there are times when huffing a ball can be effective in defensive or creativity. I feel huffing ball with no specific target in mind or one that creates a 50 / 50 situation is conceding possession. Link to post Share on other sites
Old Codger 3,039 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Denzel Zanzibar said: There is no "accepted standard" that's the thing, it's all relative to the tactics employed. The goalkeeper punting the ball upfield to the striker, bypassing the midfield is a long ball. Your RB pinging a 60 yard lob to the LW a la David Beckham in his prime is a long ball. Anything which bypasses a part of the field of play that your tactics usually employ would be classed in my opinion, as a long ball. Have to admit that if I am faced with the choice of the Sheff Utd tactic of a defender either side of the goalie with our forwards stood on the eighteen-yard line, or a punt to the halfway line, with the way things are at the moment, I prefer the latter. Might work with much better players, but would rather lose possession well away from the goal than within striking distance. Thanks for replies, it helps a little, the percentage of each type of pass appears to be the key thing Link to post Share on other sites
Will 2,958 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Borodane said: This is a ridiculous stat. Only 2 passes a minute 🤣 Given we only had 1/3 of the possession it's a solid 6 passes per minute when we had the ball 😉 Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, Will said: Given we only had 1/3 of the possession it's a solid 6 passes per minute when we had the ball 😉 And with almost half of our passes being long balls there will have been minutes where we looked like Barcelona. Link to post Share on other sites
Will 2,958 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Borodane said: And with almost half of our passes being long balls there will have been minutes where we looked like Barcelona. See, now you're seeing the positives! 3 Link to post Share on other sites
AnglianRed 6,229 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 15 hours ago, Old Codger said: Careful, man.. there's some on here that see ANY ball of over ten yards as "hoofball". I think there is room in the game for passes of any distance, as you imply the important thing is the accuracy. In all honesty while keeping possession must be a priority, I see no problem to attempting a long pass if it is advantageous to the team by being accurate, we are never going to be Borocelona, but we need to be able to play in more than one way if its required. Agreed. Its about choosing the right pass at the right time. A 50-60 yard diagonal ball out to a winger who's going to ping a pinpoint cross into the box for your striker is fine. Aimlessly punting long balls up the pitch into open space or straight to the opposition is Warnockball... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCider24 12,398 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 I'd be surprised and annoyed if the appeal works, but Derby are appealing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said: I'd be surprised and annoyed if the appeal works, but Derby are appealing. Vickers just made this point on Twitter. Isn't this the penalty for going into administration? Like, the same 12-point penalty that any club would get upon going into administration? I've absolutely no idea what their appeal is going to be. That they wouldn't be in administration if x, y and z? Fact is, they are in administration and it's the bloody administrators lodging the appeal. 😄 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCider24 12,398 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said: Vickers just made this point on Twitter. Isn't this the penalty for going into administration? Like, the same 12-point penalty that any club would get upon going into administration? I've absolutely no idea what their appeal is going to be. That they wouldn't be in administration if x, y and z? Fact is, they are in administration and it's the bloody administrators lodging the appeal. 😄 Covid forced them in to administration rather than their own incompetence and it was beyond their control. The same defence Wigan tried and failed with. Hopefully it's thrown out as it's ***. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, TeaCider24 said: Covid forced them in to administration rather than their own incompetence and it was beyond their control. The same defence Wigan tried and failed with. Hopefully it's thrown out as it's ***. Well, then all clubs who didn't fall into administration due to covid should get a 12 points bonus. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Humpty 3,238 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 (edited) I think they'll be pursuing it on the basis of Force Majeur. An unforeseen act of god. Some case law out there to support the impact of covid as force majeur but none specifically in this circumstance. As administrators they have to pursue any opportunity that has the potential to bring more money into the club. I imagine they think they've got nothing to lose as they're going down anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Rat catcher 293 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 It's not the 12 points, when are the EFL deducting the 9 points for there punishment for rule breaches ? Would not trust Parry and his other cronies to do the right thing. Link to post Share on other sites
ballyclover 210 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 Did Wigan not use the Force Majeure Covid reason in their appeal and lost? So in my view its cannot possibly be reversed on those ground as the precedent has been set if as expected it is on COVID grounds. Link to post Share on other sites
Redcar Rioja 5,872 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, Rat catcher said: It's not the 12 points, when are the EFL deducting the 9 points for there punishment for rule breaches ? Would not trust Parry and his other cronies to do the right thing. Maybe they are playing Derby at their own game and dragging it out over the coming Summer to hit them with it in League One or at the end of this season if it looks like they are clawing their way to safety! Link to post Share on other sites
Will 2,958 Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Humpty said: I think they'll be pursuing it on the basis of Force Majeur. An unforeseen act of god. Some case law out there to support the impact of covid as force majeur but none specifically in this circumstance. As administrators they have to pursue any opportunity that has the potential to bring more money into the club. I imagine they think they've got nothing to lose as they're going down anyway. The only ruling out there that is relevant is that Wigan's appeal on the same grounds was rejected. Link to post Share on other sites
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