BoroJoe 1 36 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Don't get me wrong, fantastic result tonight, but it also confirmed to me that Williams is 100% a CB and if anyone thinks his best position in CM, you obviously wern't at the game! Gave the ball away far too many times, and is far to casual, looked lost most of the night, and worst of all failed engage in the match/look for the ball. Kudos though for the slide tackle which he then passed to Miller to set up the goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air Resistance 26 3.6k Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The argument is if he gave away the ball as he did today but at cb, the team is in real problems. The guy is just in horrible form and needs to work through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewparkes 12 2.6k Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 The argument is if he gave away the ball as he did today but at cb, the team is in real problems. The guy is just in horrible form and needs to work through it. ^This! His passing tonight was woeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowler 197 20.1k Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Yes, because one game determines everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2plus2 293 6.8k Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Interesting. So, as it stands, we have a large number of people following several arguments; (1) that he's a woeful RB, (2) his passing and presence in midfield was poor, (3) Woodgate is our best defender and Bikey must start games. I completely missed all coverage of the game today, so based upon today's performance I really have no input. But it's sounding increasingly like we should rest him unless; (a) Woodgate is injured, thus should partner Bikey. (b) Genuine alternative midfield options are lacking form or fitness. Personally, I would find it very difficult to leave him out. But a lot of good cases seem to be coming out that suggest he's a bit of a weak link at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoroJoe 1 36 Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Agree AR, but maybe he needs to be rested a bit more, or not used a much untill he's back to 100% Prowler, it's not just one game, I've seen him multiple times played in Midfield, once on the wing, even as a CAM behind the striker. But the guy just isn't that good and doesn't have the vision to play there. We all wanted him to be this cultured, silky midfielder, who sprays passes around and chips in with goals, just doesn't do it. But he is a very talented CB, just feel that we have better options in midfield than Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwoodsmog 6 426 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Has anyone noticed that since he came back our form has slumped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34. 22 1.7k Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Obviously I'm not too sure what he's been like in recent away matches, but as I've mentioned in my player ratings he has been atrocious against Barnsley & Leeds. I don't think he should be given a special reserve for being captain as that means little these days, he is not the logical choice in any position right now and should therefore be dropped for a period until it makes sense to slot him back in there. I don't think the positions he has played in have had much to do with it as he has lacked basic footballing ability at times in these two games and he can play both positions well when he's on form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhimai 16 2.3k Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Has anyone noticed that since he came back our form has slumped? this he could be blamed for some goals conceded before the watford match. against watford, he scored an own goal and nearly scored another with it just over the bar against leicester, he was not solid unwilling to do a rb job to overlap i think we should pick players by form in lieu of calibre. he should be dropped if mogga insists on starting him, he should be cm in lieu of cb considering any errors caused by him will cost us goals hines should start ahead of him right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_mards 1,582 8.4k Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Well he started his first game back for us against Watford and was very good up until his huge mistake for Vydra's first goal and I think that has crushed his confidence and he hasn't recovered from that mistake yet given it was straight after coming back from months out injured with a really bad injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowler 197 20.1k Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 When has Williams ever played CAM? :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhimai 16 2.3k Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Well he started his first game back for us against Watford and was very good up until his huge mistake for Vydra's first goal and I think that has crushed his confidence and he hasn't recovered from that mistake yet given it was straight after coming back from months out injured with a really bad injury. pls correct me if i am wrong. he played a few matches before against watford and the first game he started after injury was our home match against blackburn. from the highlights i saw, a goal conceded to derby was due to him wrongly clearing off the ball straight back to opposition in our box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoroJoe 1 36 Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 When has Williams ever played CAM? :S We got beat 3-1 at Burnley in 2011, played behind McDonald, hit the bar with a long ranger which resulted in Taylor scoring, but was pretty ineffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_mards 1,582 8.4k Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He came on against Blackpool but his first start was against Derby, which I forgot about, but still coming back into the side with a make shift CB in Bailey beside him in that game then in his next league start to make such a huge mistake against Watford is bound to crush his confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhimai 16 2.3k Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 damn...he was the best academy product i had ever seen when he played under strachan who was the guy to be blamed for ruinning williams' career after asking him to play consecutive matches with pain killer injection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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