SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, Redcar Rioja said: From one of the best Chairmen in the game to seeming distrusting paranoid nepotism isn't a great advert. Just the appointment and manner of Woodgate in itself speaks volumes. Feel free to see it differently however, its all about perceptions and opinions. You really think anyone outside the club/area is going to have that take from this situation? Was Pulis nepotism? Or are we judging everything off Woodgate now Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 40 minutes ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said: Exactly this, all these people calling them for them to be critical when we have seen what happens when they take a hard line with the club. With print media in its current state they'd be mad to lose one of their biggest allies but surely that's where fans come in with in depth takes on the club and making sure those stories are spread widely It's untrue to say they're not critical either, they've been critical of Woodgate and the performances throughout the season but it would be suicide for them to call for Gibson to leave as some feel like they should. One story from Vickers which absolutely was straight from the club is not the same as them making out like it's all rosy Being critical of Woodgate is not being critical of the club as a whole. Woodgate is the fall guy, the club don't really give a toss what anyone says about him. As with any other football club, the perception is perfectly fine to be criticising the manager during bad times. Clubs will go through manager after manager and happily paint the picture that it's the manager's fault so long as it keeps the finger of blame away from them. You can argue about how the Gazette are stuck and sure they are the way things are going but it doesn't make any difference to their journalistic integrity when it comes to challenging the club on its years of failure since promotion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 38 minutes ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said: Was Pulis nepotism? You mean Tony "we've always wanted to work together and I got to go to his wedding" Pulis? Yes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Redcar Rioja 5,872 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 38 minutes ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said: You really think anyone outside the club/area is going to have that take from this situation? Was Pulis nepotism? Or are we judging everything off Woodgate now Anyone worth their salt will do some research into what they are taking on, if they don't then best any employer gives them a wide berth. From a mid to lower Premiership club to an upper Championship club to a struggling Championship club hurtling towards League One. A Chairman who is seemingly blind to it all because anyone who has/had a counter opinion is deemed negative and not welcomed hence all the shiny new clothes jibes on social media. Surrounding himself by yes men has brought the club to where it is now. That covers a demise of 15 years or so apart from a brief Karanka hiccup so definitely not judging everything off Woodgate. Woodgate is merely a symptom not the cause. Link to post Share on other sites
Duvel 2,446 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said: You can argue about how the Gazette are stuck and sure they are the way things are going but it doesn't make any difference to their journalistic integrity when it comes to challenging the club on its years of failure since promotion. Exactly, the chief sports writers at the Gazette have very little journalistic integrity and I don't care if they are members on this site. The story since Agnew was appointed was/is Steve Gibson. A once great chairman who has totally lost his way but no one wants to write about the big elephant in the room. Meanwhile we get the character assassinations of people like Karanka, Orta and Ayala when it suits the club. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,218 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Duvel said: Exactly, the chief sports writers at the Gazette have very little journalistic integrity and I don't care if they are members on this site. Well, now you've hurt my feelings 😭 Link to post Share on other sites
Duvel 2,446 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Changing Times said: Well, now you've hurt my feelings 😭 Good! Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,218 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, Duvel said: Good! That's twice! 😭😭 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, wilsoncgp said: Being critical of Woodgate is not being critical of the club as a whole. Woodgate is the fall guy, the club don't really give a toss what anyone says about him. As with any other football club, the perception is perfectly fine to be criticising the manager during bad times. Clubs will go through manager after manager and happily paint the picture that it's the manager's fault so long as it keeps the finger of blame away from them. You can argue about how the Gazette are stuck and sure they are the way things are going but it doesn't make any difference to their journalistic integrity when it comes to challenging the club on its years of failure since promotion. You know fine well the club wouldn't accept it if they went all out attack on Gibson and the club, do you think journalistic integrity is more important than their jobs? Why should holding the club to account be on the local media? Also where are we getting this pre defined idea that the local media should be a voice of the fans or a critical observer? There is no pre defined job description for all sports journalist nor for the role of a local paper reporting on a club. They're not investigative journalists, their role is not to assess and value how the club is ran, in fact there is no promise that they need to do anything beyond report on games and put out the content they want. If you are so bothered, set up a fan group and write an open letter. I am sure the local media would be more than open to publishing it Edited June 22, 2020 by SzilardNemethsCurtains Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 6 hours ago, wilsoncgp said: You mean Tony "we've always wanted to work together and I got to go to his wedding" Pulis? Yes. Not sure you understand the definition of nepotism Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Redcar Rioja said: Anyone worth their salt will do some research into what they are taking on, if they don't then best any employer gives them a wide berth. From a mid to lower Premiership club to an upper Championship club to a struggling Championship club hurtling towards League One. A Chairman who is seemingly blind to it all because anyone who has/had a counter opinion is deemed negative and not welcomed hence all the shiny new clothes jibes on social media. Surrounding himself by yes men has brought the club to where it is now. That covers a demise of 15 years or so apart from a brief Karanka hiccup so definitely not judging everything off Woodgate. Woodgate is merely a symptom not the cause. You've gone off on a lovely tangent there to all that is wrong with the club but still haven't explained how it's a toxic job for a manager to take Link to post Share on other sites
macapes 1,886 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, SzilardNemethsCurtains said: Not sure you understand the definition of nepotism Not sure you do. "The practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs." Gibson is the one in power, Pulis is, apparently, his friend. Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, macapes said: Not sure you do. "The practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs." Gibson is the one in power, Pulis is, apparently, his friend. After the fact, clearly they became friends as per the example of going to a his wedding after being in the job two years but that is hardly proof of nepotism is it? Unless you know more than me and that they were apparent bosom buddies before he got the job? Pulis wanting to work with Gibson prior to him getting the job is certainly not proof of nepotism either. Link to post Share on other sites
Boromadman 45 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I see Daniel stendel is available for free since leaving hearts . In all honesty if we lose against stoke and hull Gibson needs to just accept he’s made a massive mistake and get rid of woodgate . That would give stendel ( a guy with proper tactics and experience) 6 games to try scrape a few wins and if the worst happens and we do go down well he has won promotion from league 1 before so already has more accolades than JW . Most fans have seen it since day 1 , a very frustrating situation right now 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SzilardNemethsCurtains 2,844 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, Boromadman said: I see Daniel stendel is available for free since leaving hearts . In all honesty if we lose against stoke and hull Gibson needs to just accept he’s made a massive mistake and get rid of woodgate . That would give stendel ( a guy with proper tactics and experience) 6 games to try scrape a few wins and if the worst happens and we do go down well he has won promotion from league 1 before so already has more accolades than JW . Most fans have seen it since day 1 , a very frustrating situation right now Definitely more in the manager pool we should be looking at, Barnsley's current manager Struber is doing pretty well under the circumstances too and they looked miles better than us in terms of playing football when they beat us recently. The call to go with a totally inexperienced manager and backroom staff has been absolute suicide, even being skint there are options out there Link to post Share on other sites
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