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I was a trawler fisherman out of Aberdeen (from 16-19yrs old) when we fished the North Sea we could barely make a living as it had been hammered. The Cod wars in the 60’s & 70’s certainly didn’t help but the way we managed our fish stocks/grounds certainly added to it. I think at the time (mid 90’s) I think we had something like 50 ministers for farming and agriculture but only 2 for the fishing industries which highlights how much it featured on peoples agenda

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3 hours ago, Borodane said:

Well I think thay are doing something about it, but whether it's too late remains to be seen. The cod quotas in the baltic sea have been cut by some 86% for the coming period and that will most likely put a lot of fishermen out of jobs. If the EU reckons it's needed in the North Sea then they'll probably push for that too, although I don't know what Brexit is going to mean in that matter.

The issue being they are still removing juvenile fish that don’t reach breading age. It’s accelerating decline. Targeting other species simply removes there food source. 
Nothing but a total ban over a period of years is feasible. 
 

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Thought they'd done work with different net designs to let the 'smaller' fish escape, but I guess that's not been adopted and filed along with the Japanese Whaling Fleet.

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43 minutes ago, sanddancer said:

The issue being they are still removing juvenile fish that don’t reach breading age. It’s accelerating decline. Targeting other species simply removes there food source. 
Nothing but a total ban over a period of years is feasible. 
 

I thought all nets were designed to let young fish slip through and only catch fish of above a certain size.

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43 minutes ago, sanddancer said:

The issue being they are still removing juvenile fish that don’t reach breading age. It’s accelerating decline. Targeting other species simply removes there food source. 
Nothing but a total ban over a period of years is feasible. 
 

Thats not going to happen. People aren't just going to stop eating fish altogether.

Better science and management of fishing quotas, together with legislation that actually has teeth should avoid the need for that.

There is more research and data gathering going into fishing now, looking at fish populations, migration and feeding habits, breeding numbers and even stuff like changes in sea temperature.

The UK has actually created a number of marine protection zones to safeguard the waters immediately around our islands and is also extending this work to try and create a sustainable marine ecology in the North Atlantic in general. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/marine-conservation-zone-designations-in-england

 

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6 minutes ago, Borodane said:

I thought all nets were designed to let young fish slip through and only catch fish of above a certain size.

I'm pretty sure they are, but when you're catching large numbers of fish in trawling nets, I'm guessing a fair few juveniles end up getting sandwiched between the adults.

Even if they get thrown back, they may be injured or already dead.

 

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11 minutes ago, estonpidge said:

Thought they'd done work with different net designs to let the 'smaller' fish escape, but I guess that's not been adopted and filed along with the Japanese Whaling Fleet.

Its possible some fishermen are still using "illegal" nets but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since they can only legally sell fish of a certain size and species. They would get prosecuted if they tried selling undersized / juvenile or protected fish. Thats why there is a lot of "throwback" - fishermen tossing anything they can't sell back overboard.

Unless there is some black market in fish I'm not aware of... 🤷‍♂️

 

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3 hours ago, Borodane said:

I thought all nets were designed to let young fish slip through and only catch fish of above a certain size.

Gill nets do have sizes but they still catch the majority of fish that have not bred. Gill nets are selected based on targeted species but no one tells the fish to get out the way. 
Cod breading differs ranging very earliest from 2 to 4 years but normally around 6 to 8 years. No mature 13 year old cod has been caught in years.  
It was once rumoured you could walk across water on the backs of a shoal of Herring. Same story, over fished. Basically fish stocks are depleted and predictions global fish stocks will have collapsed by 2048.. 

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3 hours ago, AnglianRed said:

Its possible some fishermen are still using "illegal" nets but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since they can only legally sell fish of a certain size and species. They would get prosecuted if they tried selling undersized / juvenile or protected fish. Thats why there is a lot of "throwback" - fishermen tossing anything they can't sell back overboard.

Unless there is some black market in fish I'm not aware of... 🤷‍♂️

 

Quota systems exist and trawlers are constantly monitored but they do catch others species or to many which are dumped. It’s a simple case of fishing catching more fish then being breed. To much technology, to many boats. 

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6 minutes ago, Neverbefore said:

What is going on in this "other Boro stuff" thread?

I think they are fishing 🎣 for compliments 🤣

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