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2 hours ago, p_mards said:

Our FA Cup game against Tottenham has been selected for coverage on BBC One on Tuesday 1st March. It'll be a good extra million or so of income for us:

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/date-confirmed-for-spurs-fa-cup-tie

How do you get a mil? We get 125k from tv and 40% if the gate receipts. If we sell 34k tickets at 30 quid we get about 400k in gate receipts. So about 550k in total. 

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58 minutes ago, Borodane said:

How do you get a mil? We get 125k from tv and 40% if the gate receipts. If we sell 34k tickets at 30 quid we get about 400k in gate receipts. So about 550k in total. 

Apologies. I thought the tv money and ticket income would have been more but I was wrong.

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2 hours ago, Neverbefore said:

20 appearances, 2 goals 

Most unsuccessful touches per 90 out of everyone who's played this season (2.6)

Worst successful pass percentage out of any outfield player at 52%. For context of how bad this is, Lumleys pass percentage is better having played half a season under Warnock.

Every other metric, he is in the bottom 4 or 5 players in the squad also. He's just not very good, and two goals as a substitute for another club against the two teams in the league with the lowest points doesn't change that. 

Yes balogan and Connelly haven't exaclty set the league alight but you're judging them after 4 games vs a whole half season of rubbish from uche. 

Under Warnock the entire team looked crap. In the last 13 Boro games before he joined Cardiff he was given a total of 46 minutes playing time . Connolly in contrast has had 221 minutes in just 4 games, even Balogun has had 96 minutes in 4 games. That's a combined total of 317 minutes over 4 games and beggar all in return. In Uche's first 4 Boro games he managed 2 goals and 1 assist.

Judge football by what you see on a pitch not on a spreadsheet, heaven knows what Bernie Slaven's stats and heat map would have been like. Uche isn't world class and never will be but he didn't cost £15M nor was he on a ridiculous wage and loan fee and failing to even look like scoring. 

Ask Cardiff fans about his metrics and stats and that's playing for a poor side who were also deep in the relegation mix (along with those two teams below them) not playing for a side in the Play Offs. I'm all for continually refining and improving but so far we seem to have gone backwards in the Striking department based on the only important stat upon which they will be judged and that's goals.

Cardiff brought in Ikpeazu because they needed a Striker in their battle for survival, so far Uche has delivered. We brought in Strikers because we let Uche go out on loan and because we apparently needed a Striker/s to fire us into the Play Offs. Ours just need a little more time I suppose before their stats and minutes on the pitch start delivering.

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9 minutes ago, p_mards said:

Apologies. I thought the tv money and ticket income would have been more but I was wrong.

Yeah I thought the tv money was a lot higher than just 125k. If we’re talking income a game at Spurs or West Ham would have been better, but a home game against a big team is something for the Boro fans. 

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1 hour ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Under Warnock the entire team looked crap. In the last 13 Boro games before he joined Cardiff he was given a total of 46 minutes playing time . Connolly in contrast has had 221 minutes in just 4 games, even Balogun has had 96 minutes in 4 games. That's a combined total of 317 minutes over 4 games and beggar all in return. In Uche's first 4 Boro games he managed 2 goals and 1 assist.

Judge football by what you see on a pitch not on a spreadsheet, heaven knows what Bernie Slaven's stats and heat map would have been like. Uche isn't world class and never will be but he didn't cost £15M nor was he on a ridiculous wage and loan fee and failing to even look like scoring. 

Ask Cardiff fans about his metrics and stats and that's playing for a poor side who were also deep in the relegation mix (along with those two teams below them) not playing for a side in the Play Offs. I'm all for continually refining and improving but so far we seem to have gone backwards in the Striking department based on the only important stat upon which they will be judged and that's goals.

Cardiff brought in Ikpeazu because they needed a Striker in their battle for survival, so far Uche has delivered. We brought in Strikers because we let Uche go out on loan and because we apparently needed a Striker/s to fire us into the Play Offs. Ours just need a little more time I suppose before their stats and minutes on the pitch start delivering.

I reckon Bernie's stats and heat map would stack up nicely. He was so much more than a goal poacher. All he was missing was an extra yard or so of pace.

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1 minute ago, Bosco's Tuft said:

I reckon Bernie's stats and heat map would stack up nicely. He was so much more than a goal poacher. All he was missing was an extra yard or so of pace.

eye to right, if he was in a top side hes have scored a tonne of goals at top level. not just a poacher. he banged them in from range to. decent passer also.

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55 minutes ago, smogsterking the Inspirati said:

Isn't there prize money as well for every round you progress. The pot increases the further you go.

Yeah, think we got about 100k for beating man U and we get about 200k if we beat tottingham

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1 hour ago, Redcar Rioja said:

Under Warnock the entire team looked crap. In the last 13 Boro games before he joined Cardiff he was given a total of 46 minutes playing time . Connolly in contrast has had 221 minutes in just 4 games, even Balogun has had 96 minutes in 4 games. That's a combined total of 317 minutes over 4 games and beggar all in return. In Uche's first 4 Boro games he managed 2 goals and 1 assist.

In his first 4 games, Balogun has 96 minutes and 1 assist.

In his first 4 games, Connolly has played 221 minutes.

In his first 4 games, Ikpeazu had 278 minutes, 2 goals and an assist.

One of the goals was a penalty.

I'd fully expect Balogun or Connolly to score a penalty if given one.

In 646 minutes for Middlesbrough, over 20 games, Ikpeazu managed 2 goals and 1 assist.

If Balogun manages 2 goals and an assist in his next 16 games, he's exceeded Ikpeazu's contribution here.

Purely on minutes, Balogun needs to manage that in 550 minutes (or around 6 full games).

Even Connolly only needs to have 1 or 2 good games to exceed it, he's still got another 471 minutes before he's equalled Ikpeazu's time on the pitch.

 

I like Ikpeazu, but let's not oversell his contribution here.

I'd still be happy to have him here, but he's slow and doesn't suit our current style.

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8 hours ago, TeaCider24 said:

I like Ikpeazu, but let's not oversell his contribution here.

I'd still be happy to have him here, but he's slow and doesn't suit our current style.

Yeah, I liked big Uche, it was great watching defenders bouncing off him. When he played in the Wilder system though, he never seemed to keep up with the ball, just too slow. Not his fault, it’s not his game. He’ll have a decent career with clubs that want a battering ram, but that’s not us under Wilder. 
 

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Depends on the type of football we want, if you want direct and long balls then uches your man, and we should of stuck with warnock or do you want more passing and better build up play. Uche is good striker but unfortunately doesn't bring others into play enough, he lost the ball alot trying to do everything himself. 

Sporar for instance hasn't scored alot yet but he does bring others into play more and that in itself creates more chances. Sporar will finish this season in double figures probably about 12 or 13 goals as a guess which isn't bad, just need watmore to keep up and a few from the new lads.

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11 hours ago, TeaCider24 said:

I'd fully expect Balogun or Connolly to score a penalty if given one.

I thought we were just saying on here a few days ago that Connolly doesn't do Penalties which is why he ducked out at Old Trafford?

We once paid £15M for a Striker who wasn't exactly confidence building when it came to Penalties, all the Seagulls and Pigeons headed for the Eston Hills during his run ups. Heck we even paid £7M or thereabouts for Gestede who struggled to do an impersonation of a Footballer let alone a Striker.

In Uche's first two games for Cardiff he has amassed a total of 42 minutes playing time and two goals. That equates to a goal every 21 minutes! Purely on that Balogun and Connolly better turn into Ronaldo and Messi at this rate. Don't you just love stats and how they can be spun to justify whatever argument you are trying to make. 

I'm in no doubt of Uche's limitations but there have been a couple of games where we could have used him especially Blackburn away to deal with their usual strongarm tactics when we fell behind. Since the two Loan Strikers have arrived Sporar has turned into the brown stuff from being sung about every week. Bad enough that they haven't clicked or are struggling to adapt but our "best" (and I use that word loosely, very loosely) has struggled since he lost Watmore and the two newbies haven't even looked like cutting the mustard, In fact they look totally disconnected with their team mates and seemingly unaware of what tactics they/we are supposed to be playing.

I suspect that Balogun could become something special over time as there are flashes of skill in small bursts. Connolly I suspect is just Brighton's Jordan Jones. My beef is that we needed goal scoring Strikers, not somebody else's long term projects unless we are treating this season as a warm up and aren't seriously bothered about finishing in the top six which I very much doubt.

Meanwhile a big lumbering lummox who seemingly can't control a ball, can't run and has few qualities of merit due to his statistical deficiencies doesn't fit what we need but elsewhere he just puts the ball in the net without needing to be nursemaided. If Connolly and Balogun are the answer than I'm not sure what the original question was. They need time yet the big lumbering donkey we got rid off somehow didn't. We can't have it both ways. Uche didn't fit Wilder's style but the two lightweights don't seem to fit it either.

Maybe the Wilder style is just to run about a lot and scoring is just a "nice to have" bonus. We have struggled for goals and I get that Uche isn't the ideal solution because he doesn't run about but I'd far rather have kept him and all his limitations than what I have witnessed from the incoming replacements. Either they get an almighty kick up their jacksies or we can kiss goodbye to the Play Offs because so far it looks like we have signed two Jaffas. Oh wait, we need to give them more time, let them settle, carry them in other words, look at their beautiful stats. Maybe we can sue Arsenal and Brighton and then maybe Cardiff for the points they will cost us?

Personally I'd rather have a "non fitting" scoring Striker than two "fitting" non scoring Strikers especially one that can at least hold the ball up in whatever system he plays. Of course I'm happy to see him go and that we get two even better Strikers in but the stats don't prove that either unfortunately whichever way you spin and interpret them. According to the Stats Blackburn should be mid table and we should be chasing Fulham, if only Stats ruled the world.

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1 hour ago, Johnmfc81 said:

 Uche is good striker but unfortunately doesn't bring others into play enough, he lost the ball alot trying to do everything himself.

literally lost count how many times he'd shrug 2-3 defenders off and lay the ball to someone else

  

17 hours ago, Neverbefore said:

 balogan and Connelly haven't exaclty set the league alight but you're judging them after 4 games vs a whole half season of rubbish from uche. 

if you dont go to the games (as you clearly dont) you shouldnt be commenting.. to say uche was rubbish is simply untrue.

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