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1 hour ago, Redcar Rioja said:

In an ideal world the Club would be well run and have an established plan that was well prepared and followed diligently by individuals with the correct skill sets in researching, setting up and implementing it let alone following it through to conclusion. The "Golden Thread" was a bit like seeing plans for a beautiful House and rather than employ the Architect to oversee construction along with those all important skilled tradespeople, four blokes sat around a pub table said we can do that and save ourselves a fortune!

The Chief bloke scribbled his not so elaborate plan on the back of a beer mat, the next bloke went out and bought some roof tiles, bricks, copper cable and 2x4's, the next bloke reckoned he could have a go at digging a few trenches so off he went to his garden shed and came back with a rake, a shovel and wheelbarrow with a wobbly wheel. That left one bloke, the youngest who was asked well what can you do? "I can show you on a PowerPoint" came the reply which really impressed the other three and their beer mat technology. So the four of them started to build their dream home convinced that they couldn't possibly go wrong!

Well the first problem was that nobody brought a hammer and so a screwdriver was used instead to knock some nails in. The structure wobbled a little bit but bloke number three assured them that it would stop wobbling when the roof went on. Enlightened by his wisdom they erected a roof but neglected to build the walls and when it started leaking and swaying a bit they sacked him. So the remaining three carried on and sure enough the weather was kind over Christmas and the lack of a chimney feature didn't spoil their festive fun one bit. This of course reassured them once again that they were indeed masters of their craft. Once the snow and rains came however they realised that they should have built the house with stronger foundations (any foundations even) and the choice of materials wasn't perhaps the best after all so they blamed the bloke with the PowerPoint and off he went!

The remaining two were now sat on a sorry muddy heap, wet through, surrounded by soaked plasterboard off-cuts, broken roof tiles and bricks without mortar as nobody had thought to order that key component in the first instance which is why it all fell apart. Now the Chief bloke had another bright idea as he knows a gadgie who has built loads of houses, maybe not 6 bedroom detached luxury villas but more than his fair share of 3 bed semis over many decades. The second bloke agrees they should ring him to ask if he has any plumbing tips (cue the slap on the back of the head). The "gadgie" tuns up, takes one look at the state of it all and declares they have too many bricks, not enough windows and hardly any mortar so it all needs ripping down.

Some of the villagers declared that they should have went with the original Architect after all while others were just happy to see the mess tidied up and put into some sort of order. The moral of the story (should you ever find yourself in such a ridiculous scenario) is that its difficult to remember that your original need was to drain the swamp when you are up to your necks in Alligators!

Bravo!

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3 minutes ago, DanFromDownSouth said:

I think a wolf came and blew the house down?

Nah - you're thinking of the Three Little Mackems😉

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1 hour ago, Redcar Rioja said:

The Chief bloke scribbled his not so elaborate plan on the back of a beer mat, the four of them then had a tea break, the next bloke went out and bought some roof tiles, bricks, copper cable and 2x4's, the four of them then had a tea break, the next bloke reckoned he could have a go at digging a few trenches so off he went to his garden shed and came back with a rake, a shovel and wheelbarrow with a wobbly wheel. The four of them then had a tea break. That left one bloke, the youngest who was asked well what can you do? "I can show you on a PowerPoint" came the reply which really impressed the other three and their beer mat technology. The four of them then had a tea break. So the four of them started to build their dream home convinced that they couldn't possibly go wrong! The four of them then had a tea break.

Well the first problem was that nobody brought a hammer and so a screwdriver was used instead to knock some nails in. The four of them then had a tea break. The structure wobbled a little bit but bloke number three assured them that it would stop wobbling when the roof went on. The four of them then had a tea break. Enlightened by his wisdom they erected a roof but neglected to build the walls and when it started leaking and swaying a bit, the four of them then had a tea break, then they sacked him. The three of them then had a tea break. So the remaining three carried on and sure enough the weather was kind over Christmas and the lack of a chimney feature didn't spoil their festive fun one bit. This of course reassured them once again that they were indeed masters of their craft. The three of them then had a tea break. Once the snow and rains came however they realised that they should have built the house with stronger foundations (any foundations even) and the choice of materials wasn't perhaps the best after all so they had a tea break, they then blamed the bloke with the PowerPoint and off he went! Then the two of them had a tea break.

The remaining two were now sat on a sorry muddy heap, wet through, surrounded by soaked plasterboard off-cuts, broken roof tiles and bricks without mortar as nobody had thought to order that key component in the first instance which is why it all fell apart. The two of them had a tea break. Now the Chief bloke had another bright idea as he knows a gadgie who has built loads of houses, maybe not 6 bedroom detached luxury villas but more than his fair share of 3 bed semis over many decades. The two of them had a tea break. The second bloke agrees they should ring him to ask if he has any plumbing tips (cue the slap on the back of the head). The two of them had a tea break. The "gadgie" tuns up, takes one look at the state of it all and declares they have too many bricks, not enough windows and hardly any mortar so it all needs ripping down. The three of them then had a tea break.

To make your post a little more realistic I've added a few bits. Hope you don't mind @Redcar Rioja.

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Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but noticed someone mentioned on Twitter that if the following 3 things happen, we are 100% safe:

- Charlton lose tonight
- Barnsley lose Thursday
- Wigan keep 12 points deduction

The highest points total for each individual team in this scenario is:

Wigan/Charlton/Hull/Luton - 51
Barnsley - 49

So we could finish 2nd bottom right? Nope! Wigan play Charlton, so that means only one of those 2 teams can reach 51. Lets say it's Wigan, that changes it to:

Wigan/Hull/Luton - 51
Barnsley - 49
Charlton - 48

So 3rd bottom? Nope! Hull play Luton too, so lets say Luton win that game. Then the bottom 3 looks like this:

Barnsley - 49
Charlton/Hull - 48

This isn't even to mention the seemingly inevitable Wednesday points deduction.

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48 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but noticed someone mentioned on Twitter that if the following 3 things happen, we are 100% safe:

- Charlton lose tonight
- Barnsley lose Thursday
- Wigan keep 12 points deduction

The highest points total for each individual team in this scenario is:

Wigan/Charlton/Hull/Luton - 51
Barnsley - 49

So we could finish 2nd bottom right? Nope! Wigan play Charlton, so that means only one of those 2 teams can reach 51. Lets say it's Wigan, that changes it to:

Wigan/Hull/Luton - 51
Barnsley - 49
Charlton - 48

So 3rd bottom? Nope! Hull play Luton too, so lets say Luton win that game. Then the bottom 3 looks like this:

Barnsley - 49
Charlton/Hull - 48

This isn't even to mention the seemingly inevitable Wednesday points deduction.

Good work Wilson 👍

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The Wigan and Wednesday aspect of all this really is appalling. Not just that Wigan went into administration after being a well-run club for so long (or even the circumstances around the supposed bet), but the fact that another team could finish the season next week unsure of whether they've been relegated or saved by a points deduction.

Had results not gone the way they did last night, it might have been Boro in 22nd next Wednesday night, unsure whether the EFL will go through with points deductions or whether force majeure or a court case will delay either Wigan or Sheff Wed having points taken off.

How is a club supposed to prepare during a five-week pre-season (seven weeks at most) if nobody knows which division they'll be playing in?

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54 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but noticed someone mentioned on Twitter that if the following 3 things happen, we are 100% safe:

- Charlton lose tonight
- Barnsley lose Thursday
- Wigan keep 12 points deduction

The highest points total for each individual team in this scenario is:

Wigan/Charlton/Hull/Luton - 51
Barnsley - 49

So we could finish 2nd bottom right? Nope! Wigan play Charlton, so that means only one of those 2 teams can reach 51. Lets say it's Wigan, that changes it to:

Wigan/Hull/Luton - 51
Barnsley - 49
Charlton - 48

So 3rd bottom? Nope! Hull play Luton too, so lets say Luton win that game. Then the bottom 3 looks like this:

Barnsley - 49
Charlton/Hull - 48

This isn't even to mention the seemingly inevitable Wednesday points deduction.

 

Plus there is the admittedly slim chance that (whisper it quietly...) we get some more points 😄  

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I've had a play with predicted results and got the following (I have assumed all wins are by 1 goal margin, simply to have a means of estimating goal difference as GD could end up being a decider for some teams). Winners of each game in capitals.

Today/Thurs

BRISTOL v Stoke

Brum v CHARLTON 

LEEDS v Barnsley  

Weekend 

Huddersfield v WBROM

Charlton v WIGAN

Stoke v BRENTFORD 

Hull v LUTON

Us v CARDIFF (part of me is still hoping for a point, though)

PRESTON v Brum

Barnsley v FOREST

final matches 

Brum v DERBY

BRENTFORD v Barnsley 

CARDIFF v Hull

LEEDS v Charlton

Luton v Blackburn draw (Blackburn are on holiday already)

Millwall v Huddersfield draw (Huddersfield fighting for survival and therefore more motivated than Millwall) 

FOREST v Stoke

SHEF WEDS v us

Wigan v Fulham draw (Fulham unable to reach autos and saving themselves for playoffs)

 

Table:

17/16 Middlesbrough  50 -14

(17 Wigan 49 +2 if points deduction) 

18 Charlton 49 -12

19 Stoke 49 -13

20 Huddersfield 49 -17

21 Birmingham 49 -20

22 Luton 49 -29

23 Hull 45 -27

24 Barnsley 43 -23

Huddersfield relegated (instead of Luton) if they lose to Millwall or Luton win against Blackburn 

Wigan relegated instead if they get points deduction, lose to Fulham and Luton and Huddersfield each get a point or more against Blackburn/Millwall.  Would be a real shame to see Wigan go down after the way they have fought.

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8 minutes ago, White Band said:

I've had a play with predicted results and got the following (I have assumed all wins are by 1 goal margin, simply to have a means of estimating goal difference as GD could end up being a decider for some teams). Winners of each game in capitals.

Today/Thurs

BRISTOL v Stoke

Brum v CHARLTON 

LEEDS v Barnsley  

Weekend 

Huddersfield v WBROM

Charlton v WIGAN

Stoke v BRENTFORD 

Hull v LUTON

Us v CARDIFF (part of me is still hoping for a point, though)

PRESTON v Brum

Barnsley v FOREST

final matches 

Brum v DERBY

BRENTFORD v Barnsley 

CARDIFF v Hull

LEEDS v Charlton

Luton v Blackburn draw (Blackburn are on holiday already)

Millwall v Huddersfield draw (Huddersfield fighting for survival and therefore more motivated than Millwall) 

FOREST v Stoke

SHEF WEDS v us

Wigan v Fulham draw (Fulham unable to reach autos and saving themselves for playoffs)

 

Table:

17/16 Middlesbrough  50 -14

(17 Wigan 49 +2 if points deduction) 

18 Charlton 49 -12

19 Stoke 49 -13

20 Huddersfield 49 -17

21 Birmingham 49 -20

22 Luton 49 -29

23 Hull 45 -27

24 Barnsley 43 -23

Huddersfield relegated (instead of Luton) if they lose to Millwall or Luton win against Blackburn 

Wigan relegated instead if they get points deduction, lose to Fulham and Luton and Huddersfield each get a point or more against Blackburn/Millwall.  Would be a real shame to see Wigan go down after the way they have fought.

Millwall mighrt still be motivated for the Huddersfield game, they're currently 2 points off the playoffs, so results dependent that game could be vital for them!

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2 minutes ago, Brunners said:

Millwall mighrt still be motivated for the Huddersfield game, they're currently 2 points off the playoffs, so results dependent that game could be vital for them!

They would need Hull to beat Cardiff, which is pretty unlikely (unless we had somehow managed to beat Cardiff this weekend) 

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Just now, White Band said:

They would need Hull to beat Cardiff, which is pretty unlikely (unless we had somehow managed to beat Cardiff this weekend) 

Oh that's true, I forgot Cardiffs final games were us and Hull lol. 

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Judging by Rangers new shirt, if we're still sponsored by 32Red next season the logo is going to be even worse

 

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DZ only a few more years at least, think I read they want betting sponsors out by 2023.

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