BoroDave4 1,391 3.2k Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Yep, spot on p_mards. Italy and Uruguay you play the likes of Ashley Cole and Milner. Costa Rica you play Bainesy and Townsend/Sterling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2plus2 293 6.8k Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I just hope we're not dead and buried before the last game against Costa Rica. Which, let's be honest, is reasonably likely given our group and the fixture order. Going out early is painful, but facing the prospect of a dead rubber is far worse. From a fan's point of view, the schedule is really set up for a demoralising campaign. As for Cole, it's borderline whether he should go. But compulsory that he doesn't start. Yes he's experienced, but he isn't playing at all at the moment. And Baines is a left back of genuine quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverbefore 13,623 28.1k Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 My team to start against Italy Hart Walker cahil jags Cole Gerrard Carrick Townsend Rooney ox Sturridge Carrick because he can keep the ball better than most in the premier league and it's something we don't do well enough and with the conditions they will be playing in certainly require it. Cole above brings just because he has the experience and it's important we are solid defensively first up and he is a better defender. About a year ago on this forum I argued how carrick is the best English cm. But if you think he should start at the wc you havent watched him in that year. HEs beeb pathetic. Henderson does the same.job with a lot more effect. Gerrard, barry, henderson, wilshire etc are a million mmiles ahead of Carrick right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2plus2 293 6.8k Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Starting to like the thought of... --------------- Hart ---------------- - Johnson - Jagielka - Cahill - Baines - --------- Gerrard - Wilshere --------- ---- Milner --- Rooney --- Lallana ---- ------------- Sturridge -------------- I know that Milner isn't a popular choice, but he can do the nitty gritty defensive stuff, and offers far more to us offensively as a unit then playing Henderson/Carrick alongside Gerrard and Wilshere. Leaves us less open against the better sides then playing 4 out and out attacking players, yet we can still operate with what I think is an optimal 4-2-3-1 formation (rather then something pretty openly too defence minded) with plenty of fire power when either in control or on the break. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABH 527 2.6k Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Starting to like the thought of... --------------- Hart ---------------- - Johnson - Jagielka - Cahill - Baines - --------- Gerrard - Wilshere --------- ---- Milner --- Rooney --- Lallana ---- ------------- Sturridge -------------- I know that Milner isn't a popular choice, but he can do the nitty gritty defensive stuff, and offers far more to us offensively as a unit then playing Henderson/Carrick alongside Gerrard and Wilshere. Leaves us less open against the better sides then playing 4 out and out attacking players, yet we can still operate with what I think is an optimal 4-2-3-1 formation (rather then something pretty openly too defence minded) with plenty of fire power when either in control or on the break. Just a thought. If Johnson is playing LB then hodgson will go with Milner has Johnson is a bit lazy tracking back and Milner will cover for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smogsterking the Inspirati 2,963 8.2k Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I agree with you on Milner. I would never pick in my all time 11 or even my first choice England team. But he is one of those "does a job" when we need to defend. He is not a game changer but he is useful to have in the squad plus boring James Milner on twitter is hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essuuaitch 330 3.5k Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 just going slightly off kilter ... has anyone seen the alternative football tops for the world cup teams by rojito currently doing the rounds on twitter and on the yahoo homepage scrolls , i know there not available to buy but a***st the outrageously bad ones(spain esp) theres a few good ones in there i might have a bizarre fashion sense lol but i quite like the england one and the argentina one worth alook note to mods ; is there going to be a seperate world cup section put up soon or is this the right place for WC posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uwe 3,557 10.6k Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I was looking at those the other day LM. England one is ok, I really like the Italian one. Also loved the fact that the Swiss one has Federra on the back as the designer couldn't think of a popular Swiss footy player ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essuuaitch 330 3.5k Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 HAHA yup i noticed federer on the swiss one but assumed it was a popular name and there was a footballer too :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunners 8,855 25.3k Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I do like the England one. The Croatian one was really nice as well. Belgium and Argentina too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFPri25 12 1.5k Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Interesting article on ESPN FC (http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/worldcupcentral/id/2728?cc=4716). Why not just completely change things up from the relative regular squad that never achieves anything more than the bare minimum. On that note, my proposed England squad for the coming WC: Starting XI: ------------Sturridge------------ Sterling----Barkley----Lallana ------Gerrard----Wilshire------ Baines-Jagielka-Cahill-Walker ---------------Hart-------------- Subs: Forster, Butland Shaw, Jones, Smalling, Lowton Henderson, Huddlestone, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ward-Prowse Welbeck, Rooney *Walcott excluded only due to injury Other players who don't play for 'bigger' clubs and could be included simply on their own merit: Clyne, Meyler, Caulker, B. Davies Delph, G. Gardner, Livermore Dyer, Noone, Redmond, Zaha, Ince Hooper, Rodriguez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldManGravz 2,012 6k Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 just going slightly off kilter ... has anyone seen the alternative football tops for the world cup teams by rojito currently doing the rounds on twitter and on the yahoo homepage scrolls , i know there not available to buy but a***st the outrageously bad ones(spain esp) theres a few good ones in there i might have a bizarre fashion sense lol but i quite like the england one and the argentina one worth alook note to mods ; is there going to be a seperate world cup section put up soon or is this the right place for WC posts Why has Cameroon's got Rudolph on the front? Nigeria one is tight too, I'd buy that Interesting article on ESPN FC (http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/worldcupcentral/id/2728?cc=4716). Why not just completely change things up from the relative regular squad that never achieves anything more than the bare minimum. On that note, my proposed England squad for the coming WC: Starting XI: ------------Sturridge------------ Sterling----Barkley----Lallana ------Gerrard----Wilshire------ Baines-Jagielka-Cahill-Walker ---------------Hart-------------- Subs: Forster, Butland Shaw, Jones, Smalling, Lowton Henderson, Huddlestone, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ward-Prowse Welbeck, Rooney *Walcott excluded only due to injury Other players who don't play for 'bigger' clubs and could be included simply on their own merit: Clyne, Meyler, Caulker, B. Davies Delph, G. Gardner, Livermore Dyer, Noone, Redmond, Zaha, Ince Hooper, Rodriguez I said this in earlier in the thread about the squads! Why not put youth on the plane and leave everyone who won't be involved in Euro '16 at home, give the new lads coming through international experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Changing Times 0 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Interesting article on ESPN FC (http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/worldcupcentral/id/2728?cc=4716). Why not just completely change things up from the relative regular squad that never achieves anything more than the bare minimum. On that note, my proposed England squad for the coming WC: Starting XI: ------------Sturridge------------ Sterling----Barkley----Lallana ------Gerrard----Wilshire------ Baines-Jagielka-Cahill-Walker ---------------Hart-------------- Subs: Forster, Butland Shaw, Jones, Smalling, Lowton Henderson, Huddlestone, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ward-Prowse Welbeck, Rooney *Walcott excluded only due to injury Other players who don't play for 'bigger' clubs and could be included simply on their own merit: Clyne, Meyler, Caulker, B. Davies Delph, G. Gardner, Livermore Dyer, Noone, Redmond, Zaha, Ince Hooper, Rodriguez That starting XI is pretty much the team anyway. I'm not sure how that can be regarded as completely changing anything? It's weird how players like Barkley are suddenly seen as realistic first choice options for England when they haven't even achieved all that much for their club side yet. How many good games has Barkley had for Everton this season? As for the other players being picked on their own merits bit, is that meant to be serious? Meyler is Irish Ben Davies is Welsh so they aren't even options! Zaha is doing absolutely nothing to justify a place in an England squad, he shouldn't even be getting picked for a club side the way he's been playing. Ince is just getting a taste of Premier League football and is hardly pulling up trees. Gary Gardner isn't even worth commenting on as a serious suggestion right now. Redmond is a decent player but doesn't stack up against the other players we already have in the same positions. Caulker isn't as good as we already have, Noone really isn't good enough and Rodriguez has been in squads of course. Clyne may get a look as we're weak at right back and Dyer to be fair to him has probably done enough to get a call up at some point but quick wide attacking players seem to be everywhere at the moment. Hooper is behind about 5 or 6 players in the pecking order and the same goes for Livermore - if you pick either of those then who are you leaving out for them? It's nice for us as fans to debate and discuss this kind of thing but Hodgson actually has a serious job to do and the pressures with it. If he picked half the players on that list he'd be laughed out of the job and deservedly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CallumRoddy17 0 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Can't believe people are leaving Rooney at the side & suggesting players like Ward Prowse & Zaha who have absolutely no chance of getting anywhere near the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Changing Times 0 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I said this in earlier in the thread about the squads! Why not put youth on the plane and leave everyone who won't be involved in Euro '16 at home, give the new lads coming through international experience Because Hodgson has a job to do in this competiton and he'd be daft to leave out someone like Gerrard for example. Not only that but we've got no idea who will be involved in two years time so selecting squads now based on that is pointless. I'm not usually one for predicting line ups and stuff but I'd be willing to bet the following will be pretty close barring injuries: If Hodgson goes the slightly more conservative route with a 4-3-3/4-5-1 formation then it will be: Hart, Johnson, Baines, Jagielka, Cahill, Gerrard, Wilshire, Henderson/Milner, Welbeck/Sterling/Lallana, Sturridge, Rooney. Sturridge will play through the middle unlike the other night, Rooney will play one side of him and the other will be from those three. If it's Sterling he'll play on the right and Rooney more on the left, if it's either of the other two then Rooney will be on the right. If he goes the slightly more attacking route with a 4-2-3-1 then it will be: Hart, Johnson, Baines, Jagielka, Cahill, Gerrard, Wilshire/Henderson, Lallana/Welbeck, Rooney, Sterling, Sturridge. Rooney will play behind Sturridge, Sterling on the right and whichever of the other two on the left. For all the talk of looking at this player or that player, those line ups are about as good as it gets for England. Good or bad, that's the best of what we have to offer right now. None of the alternative player suggestions are better than those. Clyne has a shout at right back because Kyle Walker isn't at his best but I'm not sure Hodgson will go for him and it's hard to really say he'd fully deserves to be in. That gives us 13 players and the other 10 players will be something like: Foster Forster/Ruddy maybe Butland could get in as the 3rd keeper though Walker Cole/Shaw Smalling Lescott/Jones Lampard/Carrick Barkley Oxlade-Chamberlain/Townsend Carroll/Lambert I'd be surprised if there is anyone not there that's selected as those are the best of what we have. Picking youngsters simple because they're young is utterly pointless when they aren't good enough and the vast majority of them just aren't at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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