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6 minutes ago, Blanco said:

I can fully understand how this can be abused. There must be a million postmen who could postmark any amount of votes in the USA. No wonder it is open to challenge in a tight call

That's the important word in all this. It can be abused, but as of this moment there is zero evidence of widespread systematic abuse of the postal vote system. Despite the factually incorrect reports that dead people are being added to ballots or that states have a higher number of votes than people are eligible to vote in the state.

It is a system that is reliant on human involvement, so there is room that it could possibly be abused, but at a localised, individual level. As you say all it takes is 1 postman to "misplace" a sack of postal ballot. But again at this stage there is no evidence that this has taken place on a widespread scale.

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I see Trump via Twitter has warned Biden not to declare himself as winner. Although Trump has declared himself winner twice now and both times at stages much less clear than at present (in terms of the % of votes counted).

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8 minutes ago, DanFromDownSouth said:

That's the important word in all this. It can be abused, but as of this moment there is zero evidence of widespread systematic abuse of the postal vote system. Despite the factually incorrect reports that dead people are being added to ballots or that states have a higher number of votes than people are eligible to vote in the state.

It is a system that is reliant on human involvement, so there is room that it could possibly be abused, but at a localised, individual level. As you say all it takes is 1 postman to "misplace" a sack of postal ballot. But again at this stage there is no evidence that this has taken place on a widespread scale.

I never claimed that it was being abused only that it could be abused. It leaves itself wide open for challenge in a tight call. Postal votes should have to be in before polling day or they should not count IMO

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1 minute ago, Blanco said:

I never claimed that it was being abused only that it could be abused. It leaves itself wide open for challenge in a tight call. Postal votes should have to be in before polling day or they should not count IMO

I know you didn't, but I haven't claimed in my post that you did. Just merely agreeing that it could be abused.

I believe most states do have a rule that if the margin of victory is 1% or less then the loser can ask for a recount. Which in my opinion is perfectly acceptable, as the counting system is reliant on humans and as we know human error does play a part.

As far as I am aware most US states have created legislation to protect postal votes that were legitimately cast before the close of the polls, but have arrived late, due to delays in the postal service. So they are following their own rules in that regard, so I honestly do not see why people have an issue with that. What Trump is suggesting is that they only count votes received by a certain arbitrary time, which goes against legislation created pre-election.

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1 hour ago, Blanco said:

Sounds like a load of crap to me. Get your vote in on time. It’s not difficult. Postmarked votes less than a week before the polls should not be involved. Post in a week before or go to the polls. Not rocket science 

This makes no sense. The voters are abiding to the rules set out by the state of when they have to get their votes in for - ie sent by the date of closure. The rule was set before and does not benefit either candidate more than the other because their supporters are living by the same rules.

It would be like the state saying you can vote up until the 3rd, then people showing up at the polls and being told "nah, you can't vote now because you could have done it last week instead". 

No goalposts have been moved, everyone had the exact same ability to vote in this way whether red or blue, and it allows a much bigger percentage of the population to vote safely in the middle of a pandemic. I really don't get the problem.

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Meanwhile Covid runs rampant in the US. Meadows declared as Covid positive so he can not help in any transferrance of power.

Trump will not concede possibly because a 300M Dollar tax fraud waits for him.

Itchy trigger fingered Trump followers await their battle cry.

You could not make this up

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Was looking up the rules for recounts as I saw that plenty were above a mentioned 0.5% difference threshold, including Pennsylvania I think. But different states have different rules for thresholds and some of those only determine who pays for it if it is requested. If Trump doesn't concede (as you'd suspect that he wouldn't) this could go on for another week or so. 

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38 minutes ago, wilsoncgp said:

Was looking up the rules for recounts as I saw that plenty were above a mentioned 0.5% difference threshold, including Pennsylvania I think. But different states have different rules for thresholds and some of those only determine who pays for it if it is requested. If Trump doesn't concede (as you'd suspect that he wouldn't) this could go on for another week or so. 

Any other candidate would have conceded by now, its done. 

I think this will drag on longer than a week though, it'll end up in the courts but it's not going to change anything. 

 

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If Biden wins Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania (and he's currently leading in all of them) and ends up with 300 electoral votes, then the recounted states won't matter anyway, he'll be declared President.

To be honest all the world is really waiting on is the AP to declare a winner, and that could take hours, days or even weeks.

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2 hours ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

If Biden wins Georgia, Nevada and Pennsylvania (and he's currently leading in all of them) and ends up with 300 electoral votes, then the recounted states won't matter anyway, he'll be declared President.

To be honest all the world is really waiting on is the AP to declare a winner, and that could take hours, days or even weeks.

Georgia is one of the recounted states, but other than that I agree. Unless you meant Arizona, Nevada and PA, in which case you're 100% right.

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1 hour ago, Brunners said:

Georgia is one of the recounted states, but other than that I agree. Unless you meant Arizona, Nevada and PA, in which case you're 100% right.

I did mean Arizona lol, yeah.

Although even the Georgia recount will come to nothing, according to several experts.

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6 minutes ago, Denzel Zanzibar said:

I did mean Arizona lol, yeah.

Although even the Georgia recount will come to nothing, according to several experts.

Recounts almost always only change 100-300 votes usually, so it would be incredibly unlikely to have any affect. The state of Georgia entirely comes down to the military ballots I think.

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Biden announced winner of the US 2020 Presidential Election after taking Pennsylvania and its 20 electoral votes.

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QAnon morons spreading the "Biden is a pedo" conspiracy all over Facebook. Including people from the UK.

What the *** is wrong with humanity?

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Thank goodness we won't have to listen the the orangutan spreading hatred and trying to score points against the other side in every speech anymore. 

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