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I agree, TB, but I still don't think a couple of months in League 1 is going to hamper Chapman's career.

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Chapman's not a run of the mill youth prospect not just my thoughts but also the thoughts of scouts and staff at Chelsea, ***nal, Everton and Man Utd a***st others. These are all people who've seen him play multiple times by the way and aren't basisng an opinion on ignorance.

 

He's not exactly a generational talent either like Rooney et al.

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Good post that, Chipchat. I'd just put forward with regards to Agazzi - there are very few goalkeepers who are happy to come to a team as a third choice, or even backup. Could just be that he's prepared to do that for a relatively modest wage, and doing so gives us an experienced keeper in backup if we require him, and also allows us to give Ripley a season of first team football elsewhere. There could also be an element of building good relationships with an agent about it.

These are just my thoughts, could be way off.

 

I agree in a lot of ways, but I don't get the feeling we have faith in Ripley coming through for first team - Dimi's done exceptionally well to secure his spot as first choice but let's face it, we're all looking at his age and thinking he's not the long-term choice, and Meijas, while he has improved since he first came, hasn't managed to dislodge Dimi either. The chance is there for Ripley - he's 23 now - and it hasn't been offered to him, which tells me we don't believe in him.

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I think it's a bit harsh to say we don't believe in him. We just gave him a new contract before sending him off, which he'll have two years left of when he comes back.

 

My thought is that the long-term future of Boro's keeping department is that we'll try and have Meijas and Ripley fighting for the jersey and eased into the team if we go up whilst we prepare for Dimi's retirement. If neither of them can hack it in the big time, we'll bring in somebody else. The main concern there is when do we consider bringing in a replacement for Dimi. In the PL, a good, experienced keeper will keep you up but you'd prefer to have them in from the start rather than wait until January.

 

We've had some decent keepers here over the last few years who've been with us since they were young. Never anything too special, the best talent was probably Steele but Ripley is hopefully seen as a better choice for that. Whenever he's asked about it, he's said his dream is to be Boro's #1 so you'd hope he'd be willing to stay and fight. And Meijas might be a Real Madrid reject but better a Madrid reject than most places. He's had some quality games in the cups and Karanka has never hesitated to bring him in if needs be. He has come a long way since he first joined.

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We probably have more youngsters out on loan than we have at any time in the last 10 yrs.  wether they make the first team or not the academy is working

 

 

 

But is having them out on loan a sign that the academy is working? What if everyone of those loaned out drop out of professional football?

 

Short term picture doesnt always reflect the longer term one.

 

Even if you count those with a contract it's quite high

If playing for your first team is the measure then man city.  ***nal. Liverpool. Chelsea etc have all got failed academies

 

 

I go off the quote i posted on the last page for what my measure is. PLaying forst team football at a specific club is not the measure.

 

No but playing first team football at any professional club must be a measure of success and we have a lot who do that.

If our academy is not a success then there aren't many that are

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We have some who do that but its slowed down over the last few years for sure.

 

Going from our Golden generation to now....so the last what 15 years? (Gibsons year was the best year in a long long time and that shows.

 

2001-02

 

Andrew Davies – Ross County

 

Chris Brunt – WBA

 

Ross Turnbull – Leeds

 

Danny Graham – Sunderland (Blackburn)

 

Niklas Nordgren – Sölvesborgs

 

Paul Harvey –

Jonathan Cooper –

Andrew O'Shea –

Allan Neill –

Alan Harrison ¬–

 

2002-03

 

Anthony Peacock – Spennymoor

 

James Morrison – WBA

 

Andrew Taylor – Wigan

 

Tony McMahon – Bradford

 

Gary Liddle – Chesterfield

 

Tom Orchard –

Peter Masters -

Michele Van Geele –

 

 

2003-04

 

Jason Kennedy – Carlisle

 

Tom Craddock – Guiseley

 

David Knight – West Auckland

 

Dale Roberts – RIP

 

Danny Reed – Retired

 

Nathan Mulligan – Whitby

 

Adam Johnson - Firmly established himself in the Middlesbrough 1st team in 2009/10. Represented England at U19 and U21 level. One of the Champioships hottest propects, he finally moved to Premier League side Manchester City in January 2010 for an undisclosed fee, rumoured to be in the region of £7m.

 

Matthew Bates – Hartlepool

 

David Wheater – Bolton

 

2004-05

 

Kevin Burgess – Darlington

 

Chris Pennock – Coach at MFC

 

Adam Clough –

Christophe Lemaire –

 

Lee Cattermole – Sunderland

 

Rhys Williams – MFC

 

Ben Hutchinson – Basford FC

 

Herold Goulon – FC Viitorul

 

Graeme Owens - Retired

 

Jonathan Grounds – Oldham

 

Seb Hines – Orlando SC

 

2005-06

 

Richard Langthorne –

 

Stephen Thompson – Darlington

 

Peter Watling – Whitley bay

 

Jason Honeyman – Thornaby

 

Daryl Robson – Brentwood town

 

Nathan Fisher –Spennymoor

 

Josh Walker – Bengaluru FC

 

John Johnson – Bengaluru FC

 

2006-07

 

Lewis McCardle –

 

Lewis Smith –

 

David Hillerby – Billingham Synners

 

Matthew Atkinson – USA?

 

Nathan Porritt – Thornaby

 

Jonathan Franks – Ross County

 

Shaun Saiko – Retired

 

Jason Steele – Blackburn

 

Joe Bennett – Aston Villa (Sheff Wed)

 

2007-08

 

Theo Furness – Thornaby

 

Jason White – Wearside League?

 

Ryan Burton –

 

Nathan Bonar – Stokesley

 

Sam Filler - Raynes Park Vale FC?

 

Johnny Harris –

 

Richard Smallwood – Rotherham

 

James Cronesberry –

 

Gary Martin – Iceland

 

Jordan Robinson – Sweden

 

Ashley Corker – Australia

 

2008-09

 

Keiran Edwards – Northern LEague

 

Derrick Bassi -

 

James Gray - Wrexham

 

Daniel Hawkins – Northern League

 

Kyle Oliver – northern league

 

Patrick Otte – NASL2

 

Cameron Park – Northern League

 

Oniforos Rouchias - Omonia

 

Conor Sellars - Tadcaster Albion

 

Phil Shead – Coach MFC

 

Paul Weldon – Northern League

 

2009-10

 

Andreou Marinos - Onisilos Sotira

 

David Atkinson - Carlisle

 

Ryan Brobbel - TNS

 

Matthew Dolan - Yeovil

 

Ben Gibson - Boro

 

Conor Murphy - Bohemans

 

Bruno Pilatos – Northern League

 

Adam Smith - Northampton

 

Connor Ripley - Boro

 

Luke Williams - S***horpe

 

Charlie Wyke - Carlisle

 

Adam Reach - Boro

 

2010-11

 

Michael Roberts

 

Lewis Galpin – Northern League

 

Adam Jackson - Boro

 

Curtis Edwards - Sweden

 

Jarrett Rivers - Blackpool

 

Lewis Sirrell - Colwyn Bay FC?

 

Matthew Waters - Whitby

 

Wilson Kneeshaw - Blyth

 

Jake Fowler – Northern LEague

 

James Montgomery – AFC Telford

 

Jake McCormick

 

2011-12

 

Luke Coddington – To be released

 

Andre Bennett - Boro

 

Anthony Hernandez - Gibraltar

 

Shane Bland - Whitby

 

Keiran Weledji - Whitby

 

Lewis Maloney - Boro

 

Jordan Jones - Boro

 

Zak Boagey - Aycliffe

 

Jimmy Warnett

 

Adam Garrity

 

Dylan McGlade - Shelbourne

 

2012-13

Bryn Morris Boro

Bradley Fewster Boro

Priestly Griffiths spennymoor

Mark Kitching (Pro 2016 with 1 year option)

Ross McNabb northern league

Joe Fryer Boro

Jonathan Coleby northern league/USA?

Thomas MacAloon

Luke Armstrong Scotland

Stephen O'Neil Australia

Conor O'Neil Australia

Scott McCarthy Northern LEague

Robbie Tinkler Boro

 

2013-14

Callum Cooke

Matty Elsdon

Dael Fry

Jonathan Helm - Guisborough

Callum Johnson

Jordan Jowers

Nathan McGinley

Junior Mondal (otherwise known as Lewis Scoble)

Nathan Plews – Northern League?

Joe Wheatley

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We have some who do that but its slowed down over the last few years for sure.

 

*List of names*

Plenty there that I haven't seen in a while!

Whatever happened to the likes of Pilatos and Kneeshaw? I'd heard a hell of a lot of good things about those 2 and it just doesn't seem to have happened for them.

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Wilson Kneeshaw was released and went to romania, came back signed for Darlington and recently for Blyth where he scored 5 in a game.

 

Bruno Pilatos has run in after run in after run in with the club, and seemed to have got it all behind him and was playing really well for the club at right back. Dont know what happened but he was released during the season a few years back. Ended up in the northern league like so many do.

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My mate is an avid Darlo fan, and he's gutted they didn't keep Kneeshaw on.

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Wilson Kneeshaw was released and went to romania, came back signed for Darlington and recently for Blyth where he scored 5 in a game.

 

Bruno Pilatos has run in after run in after run in with the club, and seemed to have got it all behind him and was playing really well for the club at right back. Dont know what happened but he was released during the season a few years back. Ended up in the northern league like so many do.

 

Thanks for the list by the way. Very interesting

I personally just think it's down to sometimes you get good yrs and sometimes you don't. I'm sure man Utd have tried for the last 20 yrs to get another yr like the beckham scholes one

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They probably have not because the class of 92 are a one off once in a lifetime group.

 

But they have it right they have had a academy grown player in their match day side every game for the last 3000+ i believe

 

3,788 consecutive first team games since October 1937 with youth player in squad

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Perhaps it has broken down, we are second from bottom in the league with only 3 wins all season.

 

Maybe thats down to the fact that a lot of players have been out on loan throughout the season. I assume you are talking about the U21's?

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That could well be a factor, it does throw up a few questions;

 

Should the best U21 players be playing for the U21's or are they better being sent out on loan?

 

Would people be raving about Harry Chapman's goal if he'd scored it in front of a handful of people in an U21 match rather than in league 1?

 

Would it be better to keep the U21 squad together to coach them in the same way that the 1st team are coached, to give some consistency?

 

Would the U21's benefit from playing alongside more senior players, either in a reserve league, or out on loan?

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They probably have not because the class of 92 are a one off once in a lifetime group.

 

But they have it right they have had a academy grown player in their match day side every game for the last 3000+ i believe

 

3,788 consecutive first team games since October 1937 with youth player in squad

 

Any idea how many of our games during the last 10 yrs we've had a youth player in the squad. It must be the vast majority. What with downing bates Steele etc

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