Tom 2,492 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I agree, TB, but I still don't think a couple of months in League 1 is going to hamper Chapman's career. Link to post Share on other sites
Brunners 7,952 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Chapman's not a run of the mill youth prospect not just my thoughts but also the thoughts of scouts and staff at Chelsea, ***nal, Everton and Man Utd a***st others. These are all people who've seen him play multiple times by the way and aren't basisng an opinion on ignorance. He's not exactly a generational talent either like Rooney et al. Link to post Share on other sites
chipchat 61 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Good post that, Chipchat. I'd just put forward with regards to Agazzi - there are very few goalkeepers who are happy to come to a team as a third choice, or even backup. Could just be that he's prepared to do that for a relatively modest wage, and doing so gives us an experienced keeper in backup if we require him, and also allows us to give Ripley a season of first team football elsewhere. There could also be an element of building good relationships with an agent about it. These are just my thoughts, could be way off. I agree in a lot of ways, but I don't get the feeling we have faith in Ripley coming through for first team - Dimi's done exceptionally well to secure his spot as first choice but let's face it, we're all looking at his age and thinking he's not the long-term choice, and Meijas, while he has improved since he first came, hasn't managed to dislodge Dimi either. The chance is there for Ripley - he's 23 now - and it hasn't been offered to him, which tells me we don't believe in him. Link to post Share on other sites
wilsoncgp 9,230 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I think it's a bit harsh to say we don't believe in him. We just gave him a new contract before sending him off, which he'll have two years left of when he comes back. My thought is that the long-term future of Boro's keeping department is that we'll try and have Meijas and Ripley fighting for the jersey and eased into the team if we go up whilst we prepare for Dimi's retirement. If neither of them can hack it in the big time, we'll bring in somebody else. The main concern there is when do we consider bringing in a replacement for Dimi. In the PL, a good, experienced keeper will keep you up but you'd prefer to have them in from the start rather than wait until January. We've had some decent keepers here over the last few years who've been with us since they were young. Never anything too special, the best talent was probably Steele but Ripley is hopefully seen as a better choice for that. Whenever he's asked about it, he's said his dream is to be Boro's #1 so you'd hope he'd be willing to stay and fight. And Meijas might be a Real Madrid reject but better a Madrid reject than most places. He's had some quality games in the cups and Karanka has never hesitated to bring him in if needs be. He has come a long way since he first joined. Link to post Share on other sites
richmfc 41 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 We probably have more youngsters out on loan than we have at any time in the last 10 yrs. wether they make the first team or not the academy is working But is having them out on loan a sign that the academy is working? What if everyone of those loaned out drop out of professional football? Short term picture doesnt always reflect the longer term one. Even if you count those with a contract it's quite high If playing for your first team is the measure then man city. ***nal. Liverpool. Chelsea etc have all got failed academies I go off the quote i posted on the last page for what my measure is. PLaying forst team football at a specific club is not the measure. No but playing first team football at any professional club must be a measure of success and we have a lot who do that. If our academy is not a success then there aren't many that are Link to post Share on other sites
Powlay 35 Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 We have some who do that but its slowed down over the last few years for sure. Going from our Golden generation to now....so the last what 15 years? (Gibsons year was the best year in a long long time and that shows. 2001-02 Andrew Davies – Ross County Chris Brunt – WBA Ross Turnbull – Leeds Danny Graham – Sunderland (Blackburn) Niklas Nordgren – Sölvesborgs Paul Harvey – Jonathan Cooper – Andrew O'Shea – Allan Neill – Alan Harrison ¬– 2002-03 Anthony Peacock – Spennymoor James Morrison – WBA Andrew Taylor – Wigan Tony McMahon – Bradford Gary Liddle – Chesterfield Tom Orchard – Peter Masters - Michele Van Geele – 2003-04 Jason Kennedy – Carlisle Tom Craddock – Guiseley David Knight – West Auckland Dale Roberts – RIP Danny Reed – Retired Nathan Mulligan – Whitby Adam Johnson - Firmly established himself in the Middlesbrough 1st team in 2009/10. Represented England at U19 and U21 level. One of the Champioships hottest propects, he finally moved to Premier League side Manchester City in January 2010 for an undisclosed fee, rumoured to be in the region of £7m. Matthew Bates – Hartlepool David Wheater – Bolton 2004-05 Kevin Burgess – Darlington Chris Pennock – Coach at MFC Adam Clough – Christophe Lemaire – Lee Cattermole – Sunderland Rhys Williams – MFC Ben Hutchinson – Basford FC Herold Goulon – FC Viitorul Graeme Owens - Retired Jonathan Grounds – Oldham Seb Hines – Orlando SC 2005-06 Richard Langthorne – Stephen Thompson – Darlington Peter Watling – Whitley bay Jason Honeyman – Thornaby Daryl Robson – Brentwood town Nathan Fisher –Spennymoor Josh Walker – Bengaluru FC John Johnson – Bengaluru FC 2006-07 Lewis McCardle – Lewis Smith – David Hillerby – Billingham Synners Matthew Atkinson – USA? Nathan Porritt – Thornaby Jonathan Franks – Ross County Shaun Saiko – Retired Jason Steele – Blackburn Joe Bennett – Aston Villa (Sheff Wed) 2007-08 Theo Furness – Thornaby Jason White – Wearside League? Ryan Burton – Nathan Bonar – Stokesley Sam Filler - Raynes Park Vale FC? Johnny Harris – Richard Smallwood – Rotherham James Cronesberry – Gary Martin – Iceland Jordan Robinson – Sweden Ashley Corker – Australia 2008-09 Keiran Edwards – Northern LEague Derrick Bassi - James Gray - Wrexham Daniel Hawkins – Northern League Kyle Oliver – northern league Patrick Otte – NASL2 Cameron Park – Northern League Oniforos Rouchias - Omonia Conor Sellars - Tadcaster Albion Phil Shead – Coach MFC Paul Weldon – Northern League 2009-10 Andreou Marinos - Onisilos Sotira David Atkinson - Carlisle Ryan Brobbel - TNS Matthew Dolan - Yeovil Ben Gibson - Boro Conor Murphy - Bohemans Bruno Pilatos – Northern League Adam Smith - Northampton Connor Ripley - Boro Luke Williams - S***horpe Charlie Wyke - Carlisle Adam Reach - Boro 2010-11 Michael Roberts Lewis Galpin – Northern League Adam Jackson - Boro Curtis Edwards - Sweden Jarrett Rivers - Blackpool Lewis Sirrell - Colwyn Bay FC? Matthew Waters - Whitby Wilson Kneeshaw - Blyth Jake Fowler – Northern LEague James Montgomery – AFC Telford Jake McCormick 2011-12 Luke Coddington – To be released Andre Bennett - Boro Anthony Hernandez - Gibraltar Shane Bland - Whitby Keiran Weledji - Whitby Lewis Maloney - Boro Jordan Jones - Boro Zak Boagey - Aycliffe Jimmy Warnett Adam Garrity Dylan McGlade - Shelbourne 2012-13 Bryn Morris Boro Bradley Fewster Boro Priestly Griffiths spennymoor Mark Kitching (Pro 2016 with 1 year option) Ross McNabb northern league Joe Fryer Boro Jonathan Coleby northern league/USA? Thomas MacAloon Luke Armstrong Scotland Stephen O'Neil Australia Conor O'Neil Australia Scott McCarthy Northern LEague Robbie Tinkler Boro 2013-14 Callum Cooke Matty Elsdon Dael Fry Jonathan Helm - Guisborough Callum Johnson Jordan Jowers Nathan McGinley Junior Mondal (otherwise known as Lewis Scoble) Nathan Plews – Northern League? Joe Wheatley Link to post Share on other sites
MMC 987 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 We have some who do that but its slowed down over the last few years for sure. *List of names* Plenty there that I haven't seen in a while! Whatever happened to the likes of Pilatos and Kneeshaw? I'd heard a hell of a lot of good things about those 2 and it just doesn't seem to have happened for them. Link to post Share on other sites
Powlay 35 Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 Wilson Kneeshaw was released and went to romania, came back signed for Darlington and recently for Blyth where he scored 5 in a game. Bruno Pilatos has run in after run in after run in with the club, and seemed to have got it all behind him and was playing really well for the club at right back. Dont know what happened but he was released during the season a few years back. Ended up in the northern league like so many do. Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,492 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 My mate is an avid Darlo fan, and he's gutted they didn't keep Kneeshaw on. Link to post Share on other sites
richmfc 41 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Wilson Kneeshaw was released and went to romania, came back signed for Darlington and recently for Blyth where he scored 5 in a game. Bruno Pilatos has run in after run in after run in with the club, and seemed to have got it all behind him and was playing really well for the club at right back. Dont know what happened but he was released during the season a few years back. Ended up in the northern league like so many do. Thanks for the list by the way. Very interesting I personally just think it's down to sometimes you get good yrs and sometimes you don't. I'm sure man Utd have tried for the last 20 yrs to get another yr like the beckham scholes one Link to post Share on other sites
Powlay 35 Posted March 8, 2016 Author Share Posted March 8, 2016 They probably have not because the class of 92 are a one off once in a lifetime group. But they have it right they have had a academy grown player in their match day side every game for the last 3000+ i believe 3,788 consecutive first team games since October 1937 with youth player in squad Link to post Share on other sites
BillyWoofs_shinpad 1,884 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Perhaps it has broken down, we are second from bottom in the league with only 3 wins all season. Link to post Share on other sites
Borodane 6,246 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Perhaps it has broken down, we are second from bottom in the league with only 3 wins all season. Maybe thats down to the fact that a lot of players have been out on loan throughout the season. I assume you are talking about the U21's? Link to post Share on other sites
BillyWoofs_shinpad 1,884 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 That could well be a factor, it does throw up a few questions; Should the best U21 players be playing for the U21's or are they better being sent out on loan? Would people be raving about Harry Chapman's goal if he'd scored it in front of a handful of people in an U21 match rather than in league 1? Would it be better to keep the U21 squad together to coach them in the same way that the 1st team are coached, to give some consistency? Would the U21's benefit from playing alongside more senior players, either in a reserve league, or out on loan? Link to post Share on other sites
richmfc 41 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 They probably have not because the class of 92 are a one off once in a lifetime group. But they have it right they have had a academy grown player in their match day side every game for the last 3000+ i believe 3,788 consecutive first team games since October 1937 with youth player in squad Any idea how many of our games during the last 10 yrs we've had a youth player in the squad. It must be the vast majority. What with downing bates Steele etc Link to post Share on other sites
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