Randy Sandwich 209 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Today's performance showed why it was right to replace AK, new formation, refreshed and rejuvenated players, great attacking football, shots flying in left right and centre. Downing and Ramirez at their best proving once and for all AK was at fault for everything. It's just great to be abe to sit here and say 'we looked better" and "we got more crosses into the box" I just can't stop smiling. Shame that's complete fantasy and we were c r a p. No change, no improvement, no new ideas - nothing. We needed this sorting in January when we had a chance and did nothing of worth. Best thing is that the Johnny come lately / fifa playing boo boys who encouraged dissenting players, booed the team, flooded message boards and celebrated Karanka going will "vote with their feet" and be gone as quick as they came leaving us with Championship football, best players leaving and Agnew in charge - whoop-de-de-do! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Changing Times Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 It's ok I might still turn up for the Sunderland game next season and maybe the big cup games. Maybe even dirty Leeds if they don't get promoted. Link to post Share on other sites
Betamaxman 14 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Today's performance showed why it was right to replace AK, new formation, refreshed and rejuvenated players, great attacking football, shots flying in left right and centre. Downing and Ramirez at their best proving once and for all AK was at fault for everything. It's just great to be abe to sit here and say 'we looked better" and "we got more crosses into the box" I just can't stop smiling. Shame that's complete fantasy and we were c r a p. No change, no improvement, no new ideas - nothing. We needed this sorting in January when we had a chance and did nothing of worth. Best thing is that the Johnny come lately / fifa playing boo boys who encouraged dissenting players, booed the team, flooded message boards and celebrated Karanka going will "vote with their feet" and be gone as quick as they came leaving us with Championship football, best players leaving and Agnew in charge - whoop-de-de-do! Randy... whilst I think you rate[d] Karanka, we were crap under him. This is his legacy. He has coached this team down this dead end. To try and suggest that someone could come in and turn it round in two weeks is unfair. Or were you not trying to suggest that? (Apologies if I misunderstood your post). Link to post Share on other sites
thomas 501 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Today's performance showed why it was right to replace AK, new formation, refreshed and rejuvenated players, great attacking football, shots flying in left right and centre. Downing and Ramirez at their best proving once and for all AK was at fault for everything. It's just great to be abe to sit here and say 'we looked better" and "we got more crosses into the box" I just can't stop smiling. Shame that's complete fantasy and we were c r a p. No change, no improvement, no new ideas - nothing. We needed this sorting in January when we had a chance and did nothing of worth. Best thing is that the Johnny come lately / fifa playing boo boys who encouraged dissenting players, booed the team, flooded message boards and celebrated Karanka going will "vote with their feet" and be gone as quick as they came leaving us with Championship football, best players leaving and Agnew in charge - whoop-de-de-do! Its funny but them first 5 lines i actually thought that against Man U, but not today that was dreadful tbh. Link to post Share on other sites
Betamaxman 14 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 But hey..... at least we've conceded less goals than Liverpool and ***nal in the top 6, and with our -13 goal difference we'd only be 5th bottom. (If goal difference actually was the most important thing). Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Changing Times Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Randy's got a point like. If Karanka had stayed we'd have kept all our best players after going down. But not now, no way! Link to post Share on other sites
BoroDave4 1,018 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Randy's got a point like. If Karanka had stayed we'd have kept all our best players after going down. But not now, no way! I mean, what I will say is that if/when we go down I'd feel alot more confident in AK getting us back than Aggers. I'd like to think he'd take the experience and use that to become a better manager for us and therefore a better team. He had two years in the championship and he might have took us down with a whimper. But that's exactly what Dyche did (although 1 was with Burnley and 1 with Watford) and he learned from it and got better. I don't think, for me, what happened on the pitch made AK's position untenable, I think it was more the section of fans that had turned on him, the fallouts with players and some comments. Burnley are reaping the rewards of sticking by their man, and by that I mean the fans, players and board, and I can't help but think that if we go down anyway we might regret not doing the same. We've been poor to watch this season and some of last, I honestly think we played some fabulous stuff the year we got to the playoff final (as well as having a very likeable team) so we know AK has it in his locker (somewhere). Regardless of what happens, this club needs a good shake up this summer. We've been let down by far too many people. I'm talking players, recruitment, coaching team - everything needs going over with a fine tooth comb. Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy 140 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Randy's got a point like. If Karanka had stayed we'd have kept all our best players after going down. But not now, no way! Like who in particular? Negredo, Valdes, Ramirez, Gibson will go regardless of who's in charge I'd say. As for the rest I don't think Karanka being here would have kept them here for another season in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites
Betamaxman 14 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Randy's got a point like. If Karanka had stayed we'd have kept all our best players after going down. But not now, no way! Like who in particular? Negredo, Valdes, Ramirez, Gibson will go regardless of who's in charge I'd say. As for the rest I don't think Karanka being here would have kept them here for another season in the Championship. CT was joking. He was more than ready for Karanka to be sacked !! Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy 140 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Ah sorry! Didn't pick up on the sarcasm this time. Link to post Share on other sites
RonBoro 44 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 We tried to give it a go with the right formation against a side that was always going to boss possession, We had spurts in the 1st half that showed an improvement from previous games, Clearly the 'Drip Feeding' is starting to show albeit it better start coming together sooner if we are to stay in the league. I feel just looking at the match in isolation had alot of positives. We nullified Sigurdsson, and kept their midfield honest. Defensively we were immaculate again thanks to BG. Bernado held his own in the air but his distribution is god awful at times, everytime he gave the ball away he brought us back to square one, If he continues to start he needs to work on them more or just has to keep it simple. Barragan is an enigma sometimes and this game certainly cemented that fact, defensively sound with effective positioning yet horrible offensively with awful throw-ins to match. Paradoxically He was key in keeping Sigurdsson quite, an admirable job considering he shared his flank with Traore, yet almost canceled all that work out when he found himself on the other-side of the pitch. Bernado and Barragan are the weakest links in the back, In fairness both aren't first choice, injuries non-withstanding we would be far more effective offensively. The 2 in the center of midfield did a good job in breaking up opposition play, yet sadly could've contributed more in terms of offensive creativity. With some luck we could improve, however that may be asking a little too much this late in the campaign. Downing at 10 started well, but like his star his creative effect faded as the game went on. He doesn't have the overall abilities he did when he was at West Ham, yet he does posses those qualities that could be crucial if we were to put in a fightback. We can't bank on him primarily however besides Fischer we don't have anyone in that position. He did put in an effective shift for the team mind you. Traore was subdued this game, in fairness that is a given this is his 1st full season. Without his (effective)marauding runs we missed a trick going forward, and made Olssen's performance undeservedly faltering. If there was a time when SA had to make up his mind with Ramirez, this game should give him ample to digest. He is a tactical liability at this stage, regardless of what he does in training obviously that isn't translating into match day performances, GR doesn't look like he has moved on from January, and frankly in the faint hope his genius shines through we have indulged him more than we should have. Maybe his use for us is over and we should move on, If he wises up (tough ask) we could use him off the bench but can't see getting anymore more out of him at this juncture. Negredo had one of those games for us that we have almost resigned ourselves to accept at this stage of the season. In fairness when he did get a look in he almost pulled off a few movements of magic. When Rudy came on we took awhile to get going again in the final third, But he does bring options and It almost came off when they both combined brilliantly minus the goal in the last few mins. The signs of improvement are there It would be unrealistic to expect Boro to start with a clean slate tactically at this stage of the season, it all about getting that balance back. Fortunately we have the defensive side of things sorted as far as we can, And the drip fed offense is improving noticeably weather its too late we shall find in the next few weeks. All we need now need is that 90% luck that Steve Basset was going on about..... Link to post Share on other sites
Betamaxman 14 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Randy's got a point like. If Karanka had stayed we'd have kept all our best players after going down. But not now, no way! I mean, what I will say is that if/when we go down I'd feel alot more confident in AK getting us back than Aggers. I'd like to think he'd take the experience and use that to become a better manager for us and therefore a better team. He had two years in the championship and he might have took us down with a whimper. But that's exactly what Dyche did (although 1 was with Burnley and 1 with Watford) and he learned from it and got better. I don't think, for me, what happened on the pitch made AK's position untenable, I think it was more the section of fans that had turned on him, the fallouts with players and some comments. Burnley are reaping the rewards of sticking by their man, and by that I mean the fans, players and board, and I can't help but think that if we go down anyway we might regret not doing the same. We've been poor to watch this season and some of last, I honestly think we played some fabulous stuff the year we got to the playoff final (as well as having a very likeable team) so we know AK has it in his locker (somewhere). Regardless of what happens, this club needs a good shake up this summer. We've been let down by far too many people. I'm talking players, recruitment, coaching team - everything needs going over with a fine tooth comb. BoroDave4 - fair play for your unwavering commitment to Karnaka. Personally I would have found it hard to sit through another season in the Champo with exactly the same style of football week after week. Seriously though, do you not think that there's a link between the longer AK was coaching the side.... and the more negative we became? Maybe we were OK the season before because the attritional effect of the 80 page dossiers and being micro managed hadn't fully affected the players. We've completely lost any flair or creativity that might have once been there. I saw little evidence to suggest that Karanka had really learned anything about, or improved very much at all in the attacking side of the game in the entire time he was our manager. Link to post Share on other sites
boroinbishop 65 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Karanka out!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Dynamo Kev 1,557 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Randy's got a point like. If Karanka had stayed we'd have kept all our best players after going down. But not now, no way! I mean, what I will say is that if/when we go down I'd feel alot more confident in AK getting us back than Aggers. I'd like to think he'd take the experience and use that to become a better manager for us and therefore a better team. He had two years in the championship and he might have took us down with a whimper. But that's exactly what Dyche did (although 1 was with Burnley and 1 with Watford) and he learned from it and got better. I don't think, for me, what happened on the pitch made AK's position untenable, I think it was more the section of fans that had turned on him, the fallouts with players and some comments. Burnley are reaping the rewards of sticking by their man, and by that I mean the fans, players and board, and I can't help but think that if we go down anyway we might regret not doing the same. We've been poor to watch this season and some of last, I honestly think we played some fabulous stuff the year we got to the playoff final (as well as having a very likeable team) so we know AK has it in his locker (somewhere). Regardless of what happens, this club needs a good shake up this summer. We've been let down by far too many people. I'm talking players, recruitment, coaching team - everything needs going over with a fine tooth comb. so basically your saying, the fans, the players, the coaching staff fell out with karanka and you still think we should have kept him :) Balloon head :D Link to post Share on other sites
BillyWoofs_shinpad 1,884 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 The players that we have are bad, I'm not sure that Karanka has made them worse than they are. If that were the case, they would be playing with more style and flair now that he's left and the shackles are off. We looked directionless today, that's what is really worrying. Nothing has changed, we are going down without a wihimper. The only things that we've gained from this season are a new set of floodlights and a goal line technology system that we'll no longer need. Link to post Share on other sites
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