The Head Coach Thread.

[boroie 484]

I've never been in this position as a boro fan where I'd literally have anyone if it meant getting rid of Pulis.

I honestly can't think of a worse manager.

But just for the fun if it my top 3 replacements would be,

1, Jokanavic 2, G. Neville 3, M. O'Neil (Martin)

 

M. O Neill is about as like for like for pulis as you can get! His football for Ireland was every bit as bad as boros. Think about How I've felt the last year watching Boro under pulis and Ireland under that similarly passed it fella!

 

O'Neill is a fraud and as said above is a one dimensional hoofball merchant. Plus I've never forgiven him for the league cup finals.

[chickenlunch 315]

yeah Martin O'Neil would've maybe been good way back when we were linked with him originally, but not now.

 

I mean realistically, who's out there. We'd probably get Bruce or Hughes. And people would probably whinge about them too.

 

I still can't quite fathom where all this hatred of Pulis has stemmed from, cos the reason we're playing bad is for legitimate and explainable reasons. We failed on all fronts to sign any wingers or attacking players in the summer. Sold Adama and Bamford and didn't replace them - not for the want of trying. I'm pretty sure if you look back, Pulis was fuming about the club's failure to secure any of the players he wanted.

 

So it's not like TP is presenting this current football as his dream scenario - it's a means to an end to get us to Jan when we can hopefully address the woefully lop-sided squad we have. And tbh, to be grinding games out like we are and to still be in 5th.. if anything, he's done a pretty good job to get us there.

[LinoJo3 3,191]

“Realistically who’s out there”

 

JOKANOVIC

 

this guys got 2 promotions in the last 4 or 5 years!! He’s there now available.

[chickenlunch 315]

“Realistically who’s out there”

 

JOKANOVIC

 

this guys got 2 promotions in the last 4 or 5 years!! He’s there now available.

 

he didn't quite cut the mustard this year though did he.. might be a good quick fix, but Gibson is obviously looking at Pulis to offer the stability we had under McClaren in the Prem.. which TP has a very impressive history of achieving at every club he's managed in the Prem.

 

based on that criteria, would you be happy if we somehow had Warnock in the dugout? I mean, he gets promotions for fun.

[pokeyjoe 112]

Available and willing to up sticks with family to Middlesbrough are a totally different question

We all love the North East but its not every players/managers cup of tea

Its something that has to be taken into account when considering names for MFC

 

Walk round Bond St/Oxford St or Dundas Arcade ?

[wilsoncgp 9,283]

Also given that Watford refused to pay him a lot of money after promotion (to the point they'd rather re-hire someone for the top division), I'm willing to bet he'll be expensive. I know Forest seem keen to spend at the moment but I don't see us wanting to blow our load on a manager.

[wilsoncgp 9,283]

Available and willing to up sticks with family to Middlesbrough are a totally different question

We all  love the North East but its not every players/managers cup of tea

Its something that has to be taken into account when considering names for MFC

 

Walk round Bond St/Oxford St or Dundas Arcade ?

 

Something that has to be considered before you consider getting rid of the one you have in charge, too.

[pokeyjoe 112]

Available and willing to up sticks with family to Middlesbrough are a totally different question

We all  love the North East but its not every players/managers cup of tea

Its something that has to be taken into account when considering names for MFC

 

Walk round Bond St/Oxford St or Dundas Arcade ?

 

Something that has to be considered before you consider getting rid of the one you have in charge, too.

 

Totally agree, but its a results business, and results are not good enough for this team surely?

[wilsoncgp 9,283]

Available and willing to up sticks with family to Middlesbrough are a totally different question

We all  love the North East but its not every players/managers cup of tea

Its something that has to be taken into account when considering names for MFC

 

Walk round Bond St/Oxford St or Dundas Arcade ?

 

Something that has to be considered before you consider getting rid of the one you have in charge, too.

 

Totally agree, but its a results business, and results are not good enough for this team surely?

 

No, they're not. But removing your manager by itself doesn't automatically mean better results. Fans will always demand a manager goes and get sheepish when asked 'who comes in' because it's not their job. And that's fine, but my point is maybe for fans to actually think about what comes after the current manager goes. The idea that things automatically improve when a manager goes is nonsense and drives the sacking culture in management. The idea that we have an owner capable of effectively replacing a manager causes great scepticism to us all. Plucking names out of a hat and saying they'll do a better job so we should sack the manager is baseless because there's no guarantee we can afford or attract said manager.

 

I just completely disagree with people who say "He has to go now, anything would be better than this". Because some will have said that when Karanka went, some will have said that when Monk went and they were wrong on both occasions.

[pokeyjoe 112]

Available and willing to up sticks with family to Middlesbrough are a totally different question

We all  love the North East but its not every players/managers cup of tea

Its something that has to be taken into account when considering names for MFC

 

Walk round Bond St/Oxford St or Dundas Arcade ?

 

Something that has to be considered before you consider getting rid of the one you have in charge, too.

 

Totally agree, but its a results business, and results are not good enough for this team surely?

 

No, they're not. But removing your manager by itself doesn't automatically mean better results. Fans will always demand a manager goes and get sheepish when asked 'who comes in' because it's not their job. And that's fine, but my point is maybe for fans to actually think about what comes after the current manager goes. The idea that things automatically improve when a manager goes is nonsense and drives the sacking culture in management. The idea that we have an owner capable of effectively replacing a manager causes great scepticism to us all. Plucking names out of a hat and saying they'll do a better job so we should sack the manager is baseless because there's no guarantee we can afford or attract said manager.

 

I just completely disagree with people who say "He has to go now, anything would be better than this". Because some will have said that when Karanka went, some will have said that when Monk went and they were wrong on both occasions.

 

Some great points made but a line in the sand managerial wise has to be made or how far along the road do we let a manager instil his brand of football on Boro?

The "shalt not pass" defensive record has fell like a pack of cards and we have never had a free flowing scoring record under TP so what else is there?

We have a team full of midfielders that rarely control the centre of the park

 

So many Stoke and WBA fans cannot be wrong surely

[LinoJo3 3,191]

“Realistically who’s out there”

 

JOKANOVIC

 

this guys got 2 promotions in the last 4 or 5 years!! He’s there now available.

 

he didn't quite cut the mustard this year though did he.. might be a good quick fix, but Gibson is obviously looking at Pulis to offer the stability we had under McClaren in the Prem.. which TP has a very impressive history of achieving at every club he's managed in the Prem.

 

based on that criteria, would you be happy if we somehow had Warnock in the dugout? I mean, he gets promotions for fun.

 

I don’t care how he performed in the premiership, his record at our level speaks for itself.

 

There are probably other managers out there in German/danish leagues but I don’t know any of them, I’d hope the club do. My point is there should be plenty of realistic managers with one of them staring us in the face.

[Dan1234 1,056]

Also given that Watford refused to pay him a lot of money after promotion (to the point they'd rather re-hire someone for the top division), I'm willing to bet he'll be expensive. I know Forest seem keen to spend at the moment but I don't see us wanting to blow our load on a manager.

 

How much do you think Pulis is on like?

 

I'd put my life savings on Pulis being paid more at us than Jokanovic was at Fulham.

[sackrobson2 371]

yeah Martin O'Neil would've maybe been good way back when we were linked with him originally, but not now.

 

I mean realistically, who's out there. We'd probably get Bruce or Hughes. And people would probably whinge about them too.

 

I still can't quite fathom where all this hatred of Pulis has stemmed from, cos the reason we're playing bad is for legitimate and explainable reasons. We failed on all fronts to sign any wingers or attacking players in the summer. Sold Adama and Bamford and didn't replace them - not for the want of trying. I'm pretty sure if you look back, Pulis was fuming about the club's failure to secure any of the players he wanted.

 

So it's not like TP is presenting this current football as his dream scenario - it's a means to an end to get us to Jan when we can hopefully address the woefully lop-sided squad we have. And tbh, to be grinding games out like we are and to still be in 5th.. if anything, he's done a pretty good job to get us there.

 

I think the team selections Pulis is making are playing a pretty significant role in how badly we are playing, you can’t ignore that and just blame it entirely on last summer. Also, he never liked Bamford and dropped him last season at pretty much every opportunity and I wasn’t surprised he got rid in the summer. There’s no way Bamford is sold if Pulis wants him, Pulis chose to get rid, you seem to be overlooking that too.

[LinoJo3 3,191]

Also we weren’t playing bad at the start of the season, we were playing teams off the park. Until he decided to change to 433, put braithwaite on the left, drop Lewis wing and try to accommodate hugill.

[Neverbefore 10,940]

He started the season playing 3 attacking players, then dropped to 2 and now we're down to 1. It's a fairly significant pattern that is entirely of pulis's choosing.