The Head Coach Thread.

[Duvel 2,446]

Reviewing Pulis statement in the Gazette we can expect whole sale changes. We need change more so with the backroom staff than field but my worry is Pulis long term plan of 4 to 5 years. Two things bother me. At my age I don't know if I'll be around in 4 to 5 years and assuming we still have a club would we be worth watching with Puils still in charge. His plan is to scout gems around £200,000 improve and sell on which tells me we are destined to stay in the championship. Reasoning I can't see a £200,000 players succeeding in the Premier. I guess he believes no one else has thought of the idea or we will be better at finding these gems.

 

I don't think he thinks no one else has thought of the idea, it's more a case of that's exactly how everyone else apart from the big/rich teams operate and we're still out there looking for the next Wagner Love to be linked with for £15m on deadline day.

 

I'm looking forward to the 'wholesale changes' tbh, we need it.

 

Not sure how old you are to be thinking in such fatalistic terms, but surely you'd be happy to go out knowing that the club had a good plan and a solid foundation for the future, rather than just on the same old quick fix mentality that we've had post-McClaren.

 

What is the plan, apart from balancing the books that is?

 

What is going to be our identity going forward because I don't see one?

 

We don't look to be a club that will give youth a chance when we have 2 good young lads being kept out of the team by the likes of Downing.

 

We're certainly not gonna have a philosophy of playing attractive football while Pulis is anywhere near the place.

 

Id love to know what the long term plan is, it's easy to say we'll buy players in for peanuts and sell them for millions. As previously mentioned who doesn't want to do that. Actions speak louder than words, if we want to become a club that can find and identify up and coming players then I'd expect to see changes in the recruitment department at the club (which he haven't), until then it's just spin coming out of Pulis.

 

If money was so tight that makes last summer's signings even more baffling.

 

given our famed history of doing this....!

 

Well as far as I can see you've essentially outlined the plan by explaining what you don't understand about it. Money is clearly always an issue for us, even more so when we're not in the Prem - the previous mentality of spending loads on 'big name' players isn't one we can realistically sustain, so we need to adjust how we operate.

 

Our scouting has always been crap, I remember Tony Mowbray talking about how bad it was when he first came in - we looked to sort that by bringing Orta in, but obviously that went bad, so I can only assume we drifted back to bad habits. That's another area TP has mentioned he wants to sort out.

 

TP has also mentioned that the club was treating the academy as being entirely separate to the first team, and he's set about bringing the two closer together. So that's another strategy.

 

I'm sure there are other areas that are getting looked at too

 

Like I said it's one thing Pulis talking about the things he wants to do, he's actions will speak louder than words.

 

So far the young lads don't seem to be getting a chance despite performing better than the senior players and rather than being frugal in the transfer market he's wasted more money.

[Dan1234 1,054]

well we don't really know, but never-the-less, he's the man doing it. These are changes he wants, not ones the club has initiated and brought him in to do. Gibson would probably be out looking for Afonso Alves' agent's number otherwise, to see if he had any other new prospects.

 

Might be worthwhile over Tony Pulis targets.

 

Alves 282 mins per goal in prem

 

Wickham 352 mins per goal in prem

 

37 year old Alves might be the answer!

[chickenlunch 315]

Reviewing Pulis statement in the Gazette we can expect whole sale changes. We need change more so with the backroom staff than field but my worry is Pulis long term plan of 4 to 5 years. Two things bother me. At my age I don't know if I'll be around in 4 to 5 years and assuming we still have a club would we be worth watching with Puils still in charge. His plan is to scout gems around £200,000 improve and sell on which tells me we are destined to stay in the championship. Reasoning I can't see a £200,000 players succeeding in the Premier. I guess he believes no one else has thought of the idea or we will be better at finding these gems.

 

I don't think he thinks no one else has thought of the idea, it's more a case of that's exactly how everyone else apart from the big/rich teams operate and we're still out there looking for the next Wagner Love to be linked with for £15m on deadline day.

 

I'm looking forward to the 'wholesale changes' tbh, we need it.

 

Not sure how old you are to be thinking in such fatalistic terms, but surely you'd be happy to go out knowing that the club had a good plan and a solid foundation for the future, rather than just on the same old quick fix mentality that we've had post-McClaren.

 

What is the plan, apart from balancing the books that is?

 

What is going to be our identity going forward because I don't see one?

 

We don't look to be a club that will give youth a chance when we have 2 good young lads being kept out of the team by the likes of Downing.

 

We're certainly not gonna have a philosophy of playing attractive football while Pulis is anywhere near the place.

 

Id love to know what the long term plan is, it's easy to say we'll buy players in for peanuts and sell them for millions. As previously mentioned who doesn't want to do that. Actions speak louder than words, if we want to become a club that can find and identify up and coming players then I'd expect to see changes in the recruitment department at the club (which he haven't), until then it's just spin coming out of Pulis.

 

If money was so tight that makes last summer's signings even more baffling.

 

given our famed history of doing this....!

 

Well as far as I can see you've essentially outlined the plan by explaining what you don't understand about it. Money is clearly always an issue for us, even more so when we're not in the Prem - the previous mentality of spending loads on 'big name' players isn't one we can realistically sustain, so we need to adjust how we operate.

 

Our scouting has always been crap, I remember Tony Mowbray talking about how bad it was when he first came in - we looked to sort that by bringing Orta in, but obviously that went bad, so I can only assume we drifted back to bad habits. That's another area TP has mentioned he wants to sort out.

 

TP has also mentioned that the club was treating the academy as being entirely separate to the first team, and he's set about bringing the two closer together. So that's another strategy.

 

I'm sure there are other areas that are getting looked at too

 

Like I said it's one thing Pulis talking about the things he wants  to do, he's actions will speak louder than words.

 

So far the young lads don't seem to be getting a chance despite performing better than the senior players and rather than being frugal in the transfer market he's wasted more money.

 

he is playing young players, he's just not naively playing them all the time. Lewis Wing is decent, but I'm yet to see anything from him that's particularly blown me away to the point where I'm praying to high heaven that he plays every minute - beyond the sheer effort he puts in. And in terms of Tav, I'm convinced that Pulis is intentionally bringing him on off the bench so he can have most impact while he's still developing as a first team player - I'm sure as the season progresses he'll start more games. Part of the reason Tav looks so good IMO is precisely because of how Pulis is using him. I distinctly remember him going missing in games when he was starting them not so long ago.

 

I don't see how Pulis can be accused of 'wasting money' when he's sold Gibson for £15m or whatever it was and then brought in a replacement for £6m. Jury is still out on Saville for £7m, but he's not been a disaster yet, and even so, that's 2 first team players in for one out. Paddy McNair looks like a solid, in unspectacular, player for £5m too in fairness, not that he's done much yet.. but he's the right age & has potential. Let's not forget the money in for Adama and Bamford..

 

The rest have all been loans haven't they?

 

So I don't see how you can accuse him of wasting money, focussing on the wrong positions maybe yeah, but we did try and fail on the key attacking players - and I'm sure Pulis fully expected the club to see those across the line when he was sanctioning the other deals

[Duvel 2,446]

 

I don't think he thinks no one else has thought of the idea, it's more a case of that's exactly how everyone else apart from the big/rich teams operate and we're still out there looking for the next Wagner Love to be linked with for £15m on deadline day.

 

I'm looking forward to the 'wholesale changes' tbh, we need it.

 

Not sure how old you are to be thinking in such fatalistic terms, but surely you'd be happy to go out knowing that the club had a good plan and a solid foundation for the future, rather than just on the same old quick fix mentality that we've had post-McClaren.

 

What is the plan, apart from balancing the books that is?

 

What is going to be our identity going forward because I don't see one?

 

We don't look to be a club that will give youth a chance when we have 2 good young lads being kept out of the team by the likes of Downing.

 

We're certainly not gonna have a philosophy of playing attractive football while Pulis is anywhere near the place.

 

Id love to know what the long term plan is, it's easy to say we'll buy players in for peanuts and sell them for millions. As previously mentioned who doesn't want to do that. Actions speak louder than words, if we want to become a club that can find and identify up and coming players then I'd expect to see changes in the recruitment department at the club (which he haven't), until then it's just spin coming out of Pulis.

 

If money was so tight that makes last summer's signings even more baffling.

 

given our famed history of doing this....!

 

Well as far as I can see you've essentially outlined the plan by explaining what you don't understand about it. Money is clearly always an issue for us, even more so when we're not in the Prem - the previous mentality of spending loads on 'big name' players isn't one we can realistically sustain, so we need to adjust how we operate.

 

Our scouting has always been crap, I remember Tony Mowbray talking about how bad it was when he first came in - we looked to sort that by bringing Orta in, but obviously that went bad, so I can only assume we drifted back to bad habits. That's another area TP has mentioned he wants to sort out.

 

TP has also mentioned that the club was treating the academy as being entirely separate to the first team, and he's set about bringing the two closer together. So that's another strategy.

 

I'm sure there are other areas that are getting looked at too

 

Like I said it's one thing Pulis talking about the things he wants  to do, he's actions will speak louder than words.

 

So far the young lads don't seem to be getting a chance despite performing better than the senior players and rather than being frugal in the transfer market he's wasted more money.

 

he is playing young players, he's just not naively playing them all the time. Lewis Wing is decent, but I'm yet to see anything from him that's particularly blown me away to the point where I'm praying to high heaven that he plays every minute - beyond the sheer effort he puts in. And in terms of Tav, I'm convinced that Pulis is intentionally bringing him on off the bench so he can have most impact while he's still developing as a first team player - I'm sure as the season progresses he'll start more games. Part of the reason Tav looks so good IMO is precisely because of how Pulis is using him. I distinctly remember him going missing in games when he was starting them not so long ago.

 

I don't see how Pulis can be accused of 'wasting money' when he's sold Gibson for £15m or whatever it was and then brought in a replacement for £6m. Jury is still out on Saville for £7m, but he's not been a disaster yet, and even so, that's 2 first team players in for one out. Paddy McNair looks like a solid, in unspectacular, player for £5m too in fairness, not that he's done much yet.. but he's the right age & has potential. Let's not forget the money in for Adama and Bamford..

 

The rest have all been loans haven't they?

 

So I don't see how you can accuse him of wasting money, focussing on the wrong positions maybe yeah, but we did try and fail on the key attacking players - and I'm sure Pulis fully expected the club to see those across the line when he was sanctioning the other deals

 

You've answered my question, we focussed on the wrong positions. I'll call it wasting money.

[Neverbefore 10,937]

Yeah when you have 7 centre midfielders for 3 places, 5 centre backs for 2 positions, no right backs, No right wingers and 1 left winger, plus 5 strikers for 1 position, yet still spent over 20mil, it's impossible to argue against us having wasted money under pulis. Regardless of how quality the players Are (and in my opinion the jury is out on every one of his signings, especially when talking about value for money) we still have an extremely unbalanced squad that isn't good enough for promotion, due to the decisions made by our manager who is supposedly rejuvenating our whole club.

[ABH 470]

At the start of the summer transfer window most people on here where saying we needed 2 or 3 new CM and 2 new CB if Gibson goes. The club got what most people thought we needed and now the same people are using it has a stick to hit pulis with.

[Neverbefore 10,937]

No. People are using the fact that he failed to address the priority issues as a stick, And rightly so. You use the money you have to sign players for positions you are lighter in and then go bargain hunting for squad players for the positions we need cover for. We've done it the complete opposite way around.

[Blanco 4,916]

He’s doing alright our manager (see below)

 

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/boro-under-tony-pulis-a-year-in-numbers

[SmogDane 4,055]

He’s doing alright our manager (see below)

 

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/boro-under-tony-pulis-a-year-in-numbers

 

I see the "logic" here... But remember.. This is not season based but annually based. 

 

The likes of Fulham, Wolves and Cardiff would probably be higher, if they were still with us in the Championship ... And so on in the respective leagues under us as well. 

 

Would like to see the same stats for the season instead.

 

This stat says, we are the best team in the Championship of the ones not good enough for promotion ;)

 

Happy New Year

[ABH 470]

So we would of been better off not signing anybody in the summer because the club failed to get a winger in again

[Neverbefore 10,937]

So we would of been better off not signing anybody in the summer because the club failed to get a winger in again

 

Who on earth has said or came close to saying that? The point is the resources we have have been placed in areas that were less critical than the ones we are currently scrambling around in mid season with an added premium as this time of year carries. Hence resources have been wasted. I give up if that's not clear enough or gets twisted again into something that is entirely different from the point I am making.

[Neverbefore 10,937]

He’s doing alright our manager (see below)

 

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/boro-under-tony-pulis-a-year-in-numbers

 

Bit of a pointless stat, Mowbray topped that at one point it I recall correctly. Only stat that matters come the end of the season is the 3 names that are premier league bound.

[Blanco 4,916]

He’s doing alright our manager (see below)

 

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/boro-under-tony-pulis-a-year-in-numbers

 

Bit of a pointless stat, Mowbray topped that at one point it I recall correctly. Only stat that matters come the end of the season is the 3 names that are premier league bound.

 

And if we are one of them Pulis will still be crap yeah?

[Neverbefore 10,937]

He’s doing alright our manager (see below)

 

https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/boro-under-tony-pulis-a-year-in-numbers

 

Bit of a pointless stat, Mowbray topped that at one point it I recall correctly. Only stat that matters come the end of the season is the 3 names that are premier league bound.

 

And if we are one of them Pulis will still be crap yeah?

 

What is with people putting words in my mouth today!

 

If we are one of them, pulis will have done his job against all odds and I will commend him for it. I still won't like him though, As is my right.

[Neverbefore 10,937]

Ps we won't be!