Changing Times 12,343 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Yeah I meant good old Mike Mikel. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Duvel 2,446 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Does this mean the exciting new era isn't happening? Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,343 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Just now, Duvel said: Does this mean the exciting new era isn't happening? No, I think this will just be an inevitable part of it. Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,492 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Changing Times said: 2 minutes ago, Duvel said: Does this mean the exciting new era isn't happening? No, I think this will just be an inevitable part of it. Yes, think of it like getting a massive bit of chewing gum stuck in your hair and having to shave it all off. It's not really what you wanted, but you have to try and frame it as 'trying out a bold new look' 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Changing Times 12,343 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Tom said: Yes, think of it like getting a massive bit of chewing gum stuck in your hair and having to shave it all off. It's not really what you wanted, but you have to try and frame it as 'trying out a bold new look' ?? (Drives NB4 mad this type of reply) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jamesp 125 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tom said: Loads of teams to be honest. Shotton is an experienced Championship player, and has been poor this year, but was also playing through an injury. I wouldn't mind us hanging onto him if we sold Fry, as an extra CB option. I've been one of Flint's harshest critics, but he was still part of the best defence in the league last year (as was Shotton). Now I know that's a lot to do with Pulis' tactics, but the stats will speak for themselves, and before he came here, Flint was quite in-demand. I think we are often guilty of reacting to a poor season by just saying that everyone who plays for us is awful. At the end of the day we've lost Hugill, Downing and Besic from a team that narrowly missed out on the playoffs under a manager who did a poor job. Yes, we need players, and could do with holding onto the better ones we have, but we can still put out a competitive Championship side. Flint is a year in to a 3 or 4 year contract, will be on big wages too. Plus he is 30 so would have no sell on value for his next club. Only way we would shift him would be taking a hit on his wages and accepting a considerably lower sum than we paid, which we can’t afford to do. Plus he’s just had an absolutely shocking season so why would anyone take a punt on him. Shotton is awful too but he wont be on the wage Flint is so we might have a chance with him. Certainly won’t get enough to make it worth selling him though shouldn’t have signed either player though, no sell on value at all. Exact reason we are in this position Link to post Share on other sites
Foogle 2,104 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Changing Times said: Oh I agree that the wage bill should have come down but I don't think it will be anywhere near the amount that we need it to come down by. Christie and Forshaw left after a half season so only half of their wages count towards that amount and the wage bill would have been higher still had they been there for a full year. We obviously had Braithwaite out on loan for half a season so only half of his would count towards it and unless we offload him then we'll have a full year this time around and he will be one of our highest paid players. Downing, Traore, Bamford, Gibson and Leadbitter should have removed a decent chunk between them but it will probably only be the equal of what I'm talking about cutting from the wage bill and we have added to the wage bill at the same time with the signings of McNair, Saville and Flint. McNair signed for Sunderland in the Premier League and he will be on decent money as will the other two. Certainly not as much as we've reduced the wage bill by with those departures but enough to leave us still needing to make substantial cuts. At a guess I'd say that the senior players here are all on at least about £20k per week and there will be a group who are on £30k+ per week. Yeah I'm definitely not disputing that our wage bill is healthy looking at the moment, I just think it's not too panic-worthy as we know quite a few of those contracts will expire soon. McNair signed in the prem but most contracts have relegation clauses of about 40% per division and he was only 23 when we signed him so I don't reckon he will be on that much here. Just seems nonsensical to be trying to reduce our overall wage bill but at the same time offering to quadruple these players wages. But then again not much has made sense in the last few years so you're probably right... Link to post Share on other sites
BoroSmoggie 2,710 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Why on earth would Burnley offer 20m for Fry?! 20million?! Yes he’s is a good player and has potential but he’s hardly set the world alight. I don’t even think he’s been our best defender at any point. If he had another season with us, started every game and kept on kicking on then fair enough. imo Gibson was (is?) a better player. Link to post Share on other sites
Foogle 2,104 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Duvel said: Does this mean the exciting new era isn't happening? Well I mean disaster movies are quite often exciting, but I think what we're witnessing at the club is more like a car crash test in ultra-slowmotion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Smoggydownsouth 1,621 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, BoroSmoggie said: Why on earth would Burnley offer 20m for Fry?! 20million?! Yes he’s is a good player and has potential but he’s hardly set the world alight. I don’t even think he’s been our best defender at any point. If he had another season with us, started every game and kept on kicking on then fair enough. imo Gibson was (is?) a better player. Fry is a better all round player than Gibbo. He will go further than Gibbo in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Smoggydownsouth 1,621 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Anyway stay positive lads....it is what it is! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
LBP 3,035 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 When we sign wingers I'll cheer up a bit, just not sure what season that'll be! Link to post Share on other sites
boro_fan_in_brum 604 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Hold down the button for 30 seconds. That should do it. If that fails, pull all the cables or and put them back in Link to post Share on other sites
Blanco 4,917 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, Foogle said: Well I mean disaster movies are quite often exciting, but I think what we're witnessing at the club is more like a car crash test in ultra-slowmotion. Did you have to use a car dressed in a Sunderland shirt Foogle? ? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Bennyboy137 127 Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 So let me get this right, our exciting new era consists of selling our better players and not being able to compete with the likes of Wigan and Millwall for signings? I am quite looking forward to seeing how the young kids get on though, maybe I am really hoping it's a blessing in disguise! Link to post Share on other sites
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